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The Late Rtd. General Charles Julu: Gone forever but

Written by Mr. Jerry B. Saylee

Tuesday, 03 November 2009

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The history of the Liberian conflict has different interpretations depending on the teller of said history. There are Liberians who saw the conflict as a conflict of greed fueled by tribal and religious sentiments which facilitated the criminal motives of power thirst criminals of yesteryears, masquerading as freedom fighters. On the other hand, there are Liberians who believe that the Liberian conflict was a massive revolution against a system of government that was considered corrupt and dictatorial. Whatever bias interpretation or historical myth that will be infused into books or the Liberian society in the near future, one thing should be clear; the war is over and there are many challenges that lie ahead.

I am certain that our ability to heal the wounds of war will be the only pivotal historical residue that future generation will reference. Our ability to heal the wounds of war will give hope to the future. I believe that if we are to be futuristically hopeful, we have to genuinely reconcile the past with some national actions that symbolize our resolve for lasting peace in Liberia.

Fellow Liberians, when we talk about reconciliation in Liberia, there are many aspects that need to be addressed if we are to achieve total reconciliation. I think calling on citizens to narrate stories about their experiences during the civil war, with the hope that perpetrators (war crime suspects) will be brought to justice is one step forward in the national reconciliation process. In my judgment, until the final T.R.C report can be passed into law, it will be good for Liberians to treat one another with respect that will add to the political and social gains we have made so far.

On September 29, 2009 the superintendent of Grand Gedeh county, Hon. Chris Bailey in collaboration with other Liberians especially Grand Gedeans, called on the Liberian government to give the late Rtd. General Charles Julu, former Chief of Staff of the Arm Forces of Liberia (AFL) a state burial in recognition of his services rendered to his country (Liberia) as a career soldier who was always determined to defend, and protect the sovereignty of Liberia. Regrettably, in the wake of such an appeal, there were other Liberians expressing their disapprobation over such an appeal.

According to those Liberians, Gen. Julu did not deserve to be honored because he allegedly did some terrible things to many innocent Liberians while serving as soldier of the Arm Forces of Liberia. Wow! Are Liberians so bitter that they will even unjustifiably revenge against a dead man who will never be part of us forever? For Christ sake! We have awarded the most gruesome killers with state power, but cannot give a state funeral to a General who served his country during tough times? What were the basic rationales behind the opposition to a state funeral of the late rtd. Gen. Julu? What role did the government play, in terms of the message of reconciliation, in quieting such opposition? How will such opposition be considered by the late Gen. Julu’s kinsmen, love ones, family, and comrades? Did such opposition reveal that Liberians are reconciling the past?

Whatever state of mind that prompted this opposition, I think it was completely wrong and signaled a bad message to other Liberians including Ellen Johnson Sirleaf who is considered one of the brain powers and chief architect of the Liberian civil war that kill more than 300,000 by U.N estimate. Are we saying that the national services that the Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, Prince Johnson, or other notoriously known individuals in the Liberian society are currently performing should be declared null and void after they shall have gone to their final resting place, because we know them to be hard core killers? You better not answer yes; after all, these people have been awarded with state power while they are living. Will it matters to them to be given a state burial when they are gone? I bet, they will reserve that debate for the living. This is what I call DOUBLE STANDARD!

If Liberia and Liberians are to create a better society, we must learn to do away with actions that discriminate against certain Liberians. I think there were no justifications to oppose giving the late rtd. General Charles Julu a state funeral especially at the time in our nation history when, majority of those that are in government lack the moral hard grounds to call other people killers when in fact they are the worst killers.

Comments (69)

	1. 03-11-2009 23:57
	No State Burial For Gen. Julu( Babies ki Thank God Charle Julu is dead finally!!! This man ( The So-Called Gen. Julu) when to Nimba in the early days of the Liberian civil war brought about 80-100 children to Monrovia and later took the kids on Robert field highway and buried the childern alives what a hard core killer he was!! Now is his time for him face true judgement before the Lord! I'll like to say a big thank to all those that deniel Charle Julu State Buriel he was not a real General, was the chief of PPD of LAMCO in Yekapa, Nimba county he was only made General when he killed lots of innocent people during the 1985 Quinwuonpa attempted coup he was never member the AFL before 1985.

True Liberian

	2. 04-11-2009 01:56
	A Rebuttal To The So Called "True Liber It's amazing how people perpetrate rumors in the form of truth. There is nothing wrong with not liking someone, you can't like everyone, but speak of what you know to be true. It is more fiction than reality to say that the late Gen. Julu took innocent children from Nimba and buried them alive on Robert Field Highway. First and foremost, Gen. Julu was not assigned to Nimba during inception of the civil war, it was rather Gen. Smith. It was later during the war that he went to Nimba. For the record, he was fighting the rebels, and protecting the territorial integrity of Liberia against invading forces. He was a gallant and valiant soldier. Gen. Julu may have appeared fearful in the eyes of those that didn’t know him, but in reality, he was a good man. He had helped Liberians from every part of our Country. This true hero of our time had people children living with him during his years in Nimba; children from other counties and tribes including Nimba. He took care of them like his own. This story about the Gen. is fictitious, misleading, and is based on mere fallacies. If people had evidence to back up this story, where were they during the days of the TRC? People only carried the story because they heard it from others, and that was how the anti Julu movement wanted it to be without substantial evidence. It is sad and regrettable that opposition to the government preceding the civil war did all they could and successfully to their credit to sell an anti government sentiment that turn the population against the government and anything that was government associated. Therefore, any and every lie against the government and individuals associated with the government preponderated before, during, and after the war. Gen. Julu is just one amongst several victims to this scheme. You also claim that he was never a military man and was only made so after he killed a lot of innocent people in Nimba during the 1985 invasion. Well, I am not an advocate of violence but I think the first law of nature is self perseverance. Right now, you have been evidently seduced, but keep an opened mind and re-follow the circumstances that led to his actions and make your independent conclusion. Just a little education, Gen. Julu was once in the military prior to his assignment in Nimba County, long before the P.R.C. In my commentary, I do not strife to delve into the past, for the people of Nimba and Grand Gedeh have put the past behind them and have reconciled and are optimistically looking forward to the future. But I just could let your comment go without a response or rebuttal, because it is based on complete hearsay, and not an eye witness account. A little food for thought: History, when written on the civil war, will always have it’s for and against, its pros and cons, its heroes and villains depending on whom the author is. One man’s hero may be another man’s tyrant. Let’s have a civil and productive debate on issues, and this can only be accomplish if we can braved the fear of being stereotyped and reveal our true identities, instead of hiding behind pseudo and penned names.

J.C. Othavious Diahn

	3. 04-11-2009 05:42
	Grief There are as many nights as days, and the one is just as long as the other in the year's course. Even a happy life cannot be without a measure of darkness, and the word 'happy' would lose its meaning if it were not balanced by sadness.rest in peace General Julu http://ironmountain.com

B.Augustus Gbain

	4. 04-11-2009 11:58
	Lay aside all biases Jerry, you started with a strong foundation by calling for reconciliation and supporting the TRC report. I wish you had traversed on that continuum of maintaining accountability in our reconciliation process. Remember, there is no genuine reconciliation without justice. We must not build a new Liberia on "let by gone be by gone" principle. Eventhough players of our past conflict have not been convicted by any judicial process, there are considerable evidences of wanton human right abuses by many of our love ones including Gen Julu. These people should not be granted any free pass in their quest for honor. This also goes to those currently serving in government. Do you not know or are you unaware of the General's recalcitrant character? Come on, its vivid in our minds. Just like yesterday. Another thing, dishonoring his remains sends a strong message to those alive who have done similar thing or wanting to pursue similar goal. Take the Bosnia situation. Generals who grossly abuse their powers are forced to pay for it. We are on the brink of same. This is not vengence. It is accountability and responsibility. We left behind will see it and get along quite well.

Truth-Be-Told

	5. 04-11-2009 12:08
	No State Burial for Gen. Julu True Liberian, While we know that people commited lots of killings in Liberia, we also know the fact that other people reacted not due to wickedness but out of the the pain that person faced. Charles Julu was a peaceful man living in Nimba. Woking and married to one of the daughters of Nimba who he had children by. When the coup took place the very Nimba people that got their daughter with Charles Julu, Killed their own daughter and children just because Charles was connected to her. "Stupid people" I beleive a Krahn man will never do that. They have never heard that anywhere before. The Nimba people are the only people that did that. Put Charles Julu in your shoe....what will be your reaction if you had the opportunity?Charles julu was a millitary man...whether he was in 1985 or even 2009. He deserve a state burial you fool...It happen all over the world. Close your mouth if you don't know anything about your country. You are one of those that is causing confusion in Liberia. I would have told God that i should be a Krahn if I had the chance. The Krahn people are understanding then the Nimba people.. "KILL YOUR OWN DAUGHTER" they are heartless. Charles Julu served his Liberia...it was his right to have a state burial...if you post anything stupid about someone you don't know clearly i will look for you and one day i will find you...Foolish man

Observer

	6. 04-11-2009 14:02
	Are we not tire of recriminations I'm not the one to passed judgement. Can we just stop all this mubo jumbo, stuff. aren't we tired of blood-letting yet, why has liberia become a vengeful society, is it part of our national dna? embedded, but exposed by the civil conflict. We've always call our nation a christian nation, i very much repudiate that. We are a nation, refusing to forgive and still holding on to the pass, which will make us repeat our recent history. Common the man is dead and so leave the dead to buried its dead

Nyanfore Jappah

	7. 04-11-2009 15:12
	No State Burial.......... True Liberian, you wrong he (Julu) was member of the AFL in the early 70's, he was very particular about the look's(well press) of his uniform, I know that for a fact. He once rented room in Logan Town from my mother house,while serving in the AFL during the early 70's, before relocating to Nimba where he once lived. I'm sure he will be missed by his family.

	8. 04-11-2009 16:19
	The soul The young children of Liberia will now have a prosperous future in Liberia. God pulled the plug on Julu. No more malice killings in Liberia. Serial killers do not deserve a state funeral. Asking for a state funeral for this man is the biggest joke in the history of mankind. May his soul rot in hell. To the poor bush grebos who suffer the torture and cruelty brought on them by this man and his families, I say sorry on his behave. I encourage you continue with your lawsuit against George Boley. Let us get rid of them one by one.

Layia

	9. 04-11-2009 22:59
	You lie! The idiot who said that the Nimba people were the only ones who killed their own daughter is a liar and one of those who took side with the krahn people. One of Glozo's Toweh's daughter, among many nimba women who were married to krahn men, was murdered in Lakpaze on the order of her krahn husband. Sorry, I won't even call names, but he, the krahn man was a big government official who lived in yekepa and resembled a hippo. He even worked on the LAMCO's school Board once as superintendent. Look, you foolish man, you can not eat a rat with the guts inside. Even if you preferred krahn people to nimba people, who cares? Who are you any way? Even Charles Julu, whether buried upside down or not will face the great judge. Were you there when he murdered DK Wonselea and other innocent mine workers who he had thrown down the mines? That is one reason I thank God that Prince Johnson, inspire of whatever you call him, slaughtered die. If people like you continue to make stupid remarks which generalizes and discriminates against the people of nimba, you will get some strong rebuttals as well. Right now, I am out of Liberia, but my ears are opened. Man like you will continue to sleep in darkness and bathe in bucket because your mind is so shallow. For you all that are comparing Julu to Ellen, you must be joking. even if Ellen discussed with Taylor to bring war against the doe's regime, did you see her kill anyone like Julu, Taylor, Doke,Taylay, and all those bunch of death squads leaders? Yes, julu killed those children from Nimba. They were in the truck, my dad was running a restaurant in RobertsField known as the Airport and the truck with the children stopped there that fateful night in June of 1990, Julu and Amos Bond were in military jeep behind the truck. They drank, and ate and spoke krahn that these nimba children will die tonight. So, if you see some of us here, we saw, heard, and know a lot. Even Amos Bond, while superintendent of MArGibi ordered his soldiers to beat the late Polma Bracewell at the Firestone golf club in Harbel Hills, almost forged the poor senior citizen's eyes out for no reason. I was there, my dad also worked as the chef of that club before he got the job with the wife of the late Liberian pilot, Johnson, who died aboard a crashed Liberian air craft over Sudan. So many things that elements of the krahn ethnic group did when they were in power and you people just continue to open your deceitful, lying wicked mouth to back them? Then the guns are silent, but the war of truth revelation will continue. The only mistake that the armed elements of nimba made was to also kill innocent people, but the krahn elements drew first blood. Even all of the elements of the sixteen tribes joined the war and repeated the same evil. I was there! So, why lie? http://krahn people, nimba people

Out of there

	10. 05-11-2009 00:12
	Jesus is Lord Although the most acute judges of the witches and even the witches themselves, were convinced of the guilt of witchery, the guilt nevertheless was non-existent. It is thus with all guilt. by...Friedrich Nietzsche

Gargar

	11. 05-11-2009 01:51
	No State Burial For Gen. Julu Diahn,Gbain, Observer and all Gen. Julu supporter,the fact is fact Gen. Charles Julu was a hard core killer, who murder lots of innocent Liberian Mr.Diahn let me educate you about the 1983 Nimba raids that took place in Yekepa, Charle Julu wife was never killed that was his nephew and some PPD officer that was killed so please don't tell me what I knew when I was just 12yr.old I was in Yekepa in 1983 and during the 1985 Quinwuonpa attempted coup Julu went into hiding after Doe came on the radio that was the time that Julu came out of hiding and went on his killing speed to name few of those that lost their lives on that day were D K Wuonserlea than an executives of LAMCO,James H. Nuahn Development SUP. of Nimba co. and Kidoe a pravent of Nimba who was just visiting and many other innocent people of Nimba and during war after he had killed all those babies when Charles Taylor NPFL was reaching Roberts International Air Port, when Prince Johnson INPFL was approaching Upper Caldwell the So-Called "ROCK" Gen. Julu ran away and left Doe and other in the heat to Die he was never a hero but coward who never fought any war or who defend our Country he was a murder I understand that every evil killer do have family and friend but let us all face the fact Julu was a babies killer who never fought any war but killed innocent people in back while other were at the front line fighting. now he is gone there are lots more killer that are still out there that will fellow him too and for the record I'm not from Nimba But my parent was working in Yekepa at the time so I do know the story very well and let his soul rot in hell!!

True Liberian

	12. 05-11-2009 06:43
	to jappah Liberia has become a vengeful society because those that wasted the blood of the innocent are being left to go free. the bible says, and i quote, those that wasted blood, blood must be wasted in order for the land to be cleansed.i remember when the whole of Liberia besides the people from grand Gedeh were afraid of Julu . Doe raised Julu to the point of being law unto himself and the people of Grand Gedeh thought it was ok . when julu used to strip people and whip them , no one thought it was bad.weall know that before the war of 1990 juklu has already started a war in nimba . when the people of nimba were still suing for peace, julu was looking for war. when the people of nimba were ready for war, the man Julu fled into exile leaving the war to others to fight.what really pissed me off is that julu left the late president to die at the hands of rebel.julu left the burden of the war to the poor krahn soldiers and once the war was over, he rose from his hide out and tried to over throw the interim government. i expected the krahn soldiers to arrest julu, but the helped him to in his attempt ti hijack power.besides meeting the many persons that he julu killed, he will first meet the late president that he julu betrayed when he was most needed by the late president Samuel k. Doe.

k. Gee

	13. 05-11-2009 12:03
	No reconciliation without fairplay The late general Charles Julu was a combatant in the Liberian civil war. That is a fact. But those making allegations about his killing children from Nimba and bush Greboe people are making these assertions based on hearsay. They have been chllenged on several occassions to provide evidence. But it seems that they don't care about evidence as they continue to make these unfounded allegations. These people need to do a search and find the well in which Julu allegedly buried these children. It should not be difficult to find such a well. But until they can do that, they need to stop demonizing this man. Liberians can not really reconcile if there is no some degree of fairplay when it comes to certain groups in liberia. As I said earlier, Julu was a combatant and might have killed some people. So was the notorious Prince Johnson, Alhaji Kromah and other combatants. In fact there are some in the highest echelon of the current government that directly or indirectly supported and financed the wars. They were able to manuver to get positions in the post-war Liberia. But for general Julue, he could not get a job. He was stigmatized and was once arrested, imprisoned and accused of plotting to overthrow the government. He was released from jail after the government failed to provide evidence. I am not sure if the government apologized to him or compensated him for false incaceration. But when he died he was refused a state burial. If Prince Johnson, who killed thousands of people but is enjoying life today as a Liberian senator dies, will he be given a state funeral? What is about Alhaji Kromah who is a University instructor and now running for the senate? There has really got to be fairplay in how Liberians deal with each other in order for us to say that we are serious about national reconciliation. This is how I see it. Joseph K. Solo

Joseph Solo

	14. 05-11-2009 13:01
	Resourceful Info Mr. Saylee, Your points are well taken. All the Ellenists, watch out! Ellen may not get a state burial under another president who believe in fair play. This is my view.

Cooper

	15. 05-11-2009 13:35
	Where Are They? Where were the Julu die-hards? Why didnt they give him the best funeral he deserve if they feel a murderer like that deserves one? If death could refuse people, Julu would never die, but live to suffer forever.

Keen Observer

	16. 05-11-2009 17:09
	Who deserves state burial? Saylee, you started a good conversation but it was clouded by what you think would be the fate of those people in government now who did the same as Julu. By so thinking it means that Julu did some bad things during his tenure as PPF director in Nimba and the army during the civil crisis. Let us not take side because of tribal affiliation this time around. We should first discuss who derserves to be given a state burial. I don't think we should base our criteria for state burial solely on one serving his/her country but what good did he/she do to elevate the lives of majority of those he/she was serving. Look at it this way, let's say Prince Johnson was to die today, do you think the Krahn people will be happy if he were to be given a state burial? Be honest...... This is a touchy issue that needs to be given more thought before taking sides. To tell you plain blank, I am opposed to giving state burial to those self proclaimed heroes and or freedom fighters like Charles Julu, Prince Johnson, Sekou Damante, Ahaji G.V. Kromah, George Boley just to name a few for the fact that they kill innocent people. I know it is a sad time for Julu's friends and family; and any negative thing said about him now will hurt them, the truth is; let these group of people who are on record for killing innocent people be laid to rest without state recognition because doing so will give the wrong signals to another group of would-be-bloody-killers.

Siasia

	17. 05-11-2009 18:15
	Rebuttal in general I want to say here that Julu He masterminded the killings of as a terror in Liberian history.He masterminded the killings of DK Wonseleay in yekepa for reason other than the fact that DK opposed the then majority krahn government of Samuel Doe. After the 2005 failed coup, Julu and his henchmen killed lots of innocent people of the mano and gio ethnic group who were jubilating when Quiwonkpa announced his overthrow of Doe. Moreover, I was in RobertsField in the town of "Smell No Taste"when Julu and Amos Bond, then superintendent of MarGibi County escorted a truck full of children from the so-called war zone in the towns of Nimba, and took them to an undefined place via the RobertsField highway where the children were buried alive. They(Julu and Bond)boasted in krahn that the they would kill these "little rebels". So, why compare the evil deeds of Julu with President Sirleaf. Was it a crime to plan with Taylor to remove dictator Doe?Prince Johnson did well to slaughter Doe and whatever else he did contrary, if proven, he will be held accountable, but the guy who said that only the Nimba people killed the children of Julu by a Nomba woman, what's about John Ramsey's wife from Nimba who was killed upon his order by krahn people. If we continue to point finger, the war will not end. Julu will rot in hell! rebels".So, why compared Julu deeds to that of Ellen Johnson? If Ellen was a conspirator of Taylor, did you see \n This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ' target='_blank'>http:// This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

wilburg

	18. 05-11-2009 22:43
	Rebuttal in general Hey AL, Please don't tell me that you of all person can be fool by that so called (JULU) Shit!!!!!!!! COUSIN

cousin

	19. 05-11-2009 22:45
	Ask me what took place and I will tell y I have monitor all of this and I think this must stop or else, Liberia will go back into war. So, what should we say when Prince Johnson killed over 80 Krahn girls he arrested in the methodlic church at 6 pm right in the presence of Old man Gborbo on Guinea road in Ganta on the 4th of Nov 1990? What should What should we say when General Gonda killed over 400 Krahn at the Tubman Place in Zwedru on the 3rd of June 1991 at 1:30 pm. What should we say when Old Donzo alone with Ma zakpa were all burned to death with hot Oil in Bong Mines by Prince Johnson. What should we say when, Old Mam Zoe Queya Killed his own best friend and 6 LASS High students in Yeakepa at the home of the head of the school Mr. Cookey? What should we say when, Over 600 Krahn innocient women were killed on Camp Johnson In the Elizer Tuner church on the night of Sept 18, 1998? What should we say, When Prince Johnson arrested over 50 Krahn girls on center street, took them on his base, had sex with them on a daily basis and killed all of them in the name of "they were prostitute?" What should we say when up to now, when a Krahn man cannot live in Nimba county without be harm but a Nimbain can live in Grand Gedeh county freely? What should we say about ourselves as Liberians? We are all fools! Where is Sam Dokie? Where is Jackson F. Doe? Where is Moses Doupu? Where is Yan Doegba? Where is Dr. Stephen Yekeson? Why did we kill one another? Zero reasons. Where is Gray D. Anderson? You name it... Let's stop been stupid. Dorris Yama Mulbah 14 Street Sinko 1000 Monrovia 10 Liberia email: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

Dorris Yama Mulbah

	20. 05-11-2009 23:47
	Stop the Lie!! Dorris Yama Mulbah Just the lies! Prince Johnson wasn't in Ganta Nov. 1990 and Gonda wan not in Zwedru in 1991 and no 600 Krahn women were killed on Camp Johnson Road in 1998 if you don't have anything to say just keep quit and stop the lies!!! your uncle Charles Julu will rot hell!!!

True Liberian

	21. 06-11-2009 06:19
	Tainted wit lies Dorris Yama Mulbah, I observe few things about you. 1. The name Dorris does not exist in the English Language, rather Doris is the right name. 2. Your knowledge of events during the war in Liberia is tainted with lies. Maybe you just do not know the real stories you want to narrate, or you just want to add some lies to the ones people create about the war. Prince Johnson was already in Monrovia as early as July 1990, and never returned to Ganta until after the war. So which Prince Johnson you saw in Ganta killing Krahn people? Was it the same Prince who killed people in 1990 in Ganta that arrested the Krahn girls and took them on his based for sex? This Prince Johnson must be omnipresent....lies. Do you know how many Krahn men, women, boys and girls live presently in Nimba County and vice versa? Why would you disgrace yourself in this public manner when you have no clues about the things you say? Be a decent woman, keep your mouth shut and stay out of this place.

Keen Observer

	22. 06-11-2009 07:47
	Are you a really true Liberian? I don't think that you are a true Liberian. I think you are a stupid Liberian. Doris is only pointing out the lack of truthfulness in Liberian political discourse. Please look at this: All those Doris asked about were Nimba leaders who were killed by their hero, Charles Taylor. They were not killed by Charles Julue. And yes, the highest concentration of Nimbaians in liberia today besides Nimba county is Grand Gedeh County. You want to ask what are they doing there. But Grand gedeans are forgiven people. I am not sure if you can find any Grand Gedean in Nimba county as Doris correctly said. So, where is the fairness? nimbaians are educated but sometimes stupid. they need to be angry with charles Taylor More than anybody else. He is the one who fooled them and used them to get power and turned around and killed their rank and file. Kai Dweh

Kai Dweh

	23. 06-11-2009 09:50
	you are just another devil. I was in Ganata, I lived there, I was bornd there. You are not a true Liberian you are a devil. What do you know about what took place here in Liberia. just sit in the USA and eat you cheese. We are trying our best in this down here. Bytheway, I am from Lofa. So, you are dreaming. All of what I am saying are on record. so, just hut your mouth! Stay where you are and don't even dream of Liberia because you are just another devil. Dorris Yama Mulbah

Dorris Yama Mulbah

	24. 06-11-2009 16:19
	May his soul rest in perfect peace To all those out their who have negative thought about the late general, I say to you in this public manner, he is now with the Lord, resting in the bossom of Abraham. You need to worry about your lives on earth and leave the man alone. Whether you like or not, General Julu did what was right for himself and the nation, period. You can go on lying and crying, Julu will be miss by his people. He is a true hero! It really doesn't matter how you guys think, what matter most is Julu had to defend himself, and he did. One thing the family is happy about is that he went home peacefully which is upsetting some of you guys. In many ways, General Julu showed to you his haters that none of you had the power to take his life except God. Those people you claimed he killed might have done something that warrant his actions at the time, if at all you are telling the truth. When will one of you come up with hard evidence for the public to peruse to help them pass a judgement on Julu as a killer? If you can't come up with anything, just close your mouths and stop lying on a dead man. Now remember, you will die too and may not receive the honor given to Gen. Julu by his people. Rest in peace General! You did what was right for your people and the nation. \n This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ' target='_blank'>http:// This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

Nyanteh Z. Gaye

	25. 06-11-2009 16:49
	More truth about Julu Prince Johnson did not kill Doe. Doe died of low blood count from torture experience at the hands of Prince. But the actual cause death of Doe, if scientifically examine, will not be death due to homicide, but rather low blood. Charles Julu families were denied state funeral for him because Nimba County opposed it and succeeded (and you called them stupid right?). Julu also did not get a job in this administration because his only experience lies in killing. Not the fault of this administration but that of his cousin Doe. So blame Doe for that. Stop dwelling on Nimba killing Nimba. That is Nimba county business. Many of us who were in Liberia before the war know that Doe killed Flanzamaton (brother of his wife). Don't think we are blind to the truth. We are also aware of the numerous killings of the bush grebos who are also citizens of Grand Gedeh. So stop fooling yourselves and accept the fact that Charles JULU SOUL SHALL ROT IN HELL.

Layia

	26. 06-11-2009 18:00
	How come True Liberian thinks he knows How come True Liberian thinks he knows all of the play by play of the Liberian civil war if hef is not a rebel? You must call your real name. don't hide. We have to check this guy.

Mark

	27. 06-11-2009 18:03
	I am out of here Oh God, these people think they catch me, but that lie. Although I was in Gbanga... Hey, I am out of here. True Liberian

True Liberian

	28. 06-11-2009 21:02
	State Funeral My fellow Liberian, why is it so important that Charles Julu be given a state funeral? Why not use that money for state funeral to help the people of his county. Anyone involve with the war in Liberia shouldn't be given any state funeral.

Jones

	29. 06-11-2009 21:49
	One is born everyday Exactly how many people did you kill Doris Yama? I heard you killed 35 krahn men and women at 2:31pm inside the mansion on October 3,1990. I also heard you along with Charles Julu, George Dweh and Edward slanger killed and ate 43 Liberians on camp Johnson on December 5, 1991 at exactly 12:33pm. Your name was placed on the TRC list at exactly 11:55am on September 23,2008. You were labeled as most notorous by your piers at the TRC at 10:00am on January 1, 2009. Happy new year dear. Where is Doe? Where is Pennoh? Where is Julu? Where is Chae Doe? Where is Roselvelt Johnson? They are all frying in hell. You should be happy to have Nimbaians in your county, (that if your statement have any steminal).For they will bring about development in Grand Gedeh county. Thats something your big brother Doe could not do. This really shows how stupid and ignorant you are. Have a great day.

Hosea

	30. 06-11-2009 23:38
	Roberts Dorris Yama my dear how do u know that Old Man Zoe Queya kill his bestfriend and 6 LASS students in Yekepa? You are giving all this dates and times of killing of people like you were there for the killing. Who told you people in the USA only eat cheese?

just another devil

	31. 07-11-2009 01:00
	No State Burial !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cousin, check this out, It is not my intention to offend or glorify anyone. When I was a teenager (15 yrs old) I was associated with the Julu's family. However, in retrospect of Mr.Julu residing in my mothers' house, I would say that, this man was incapable of such an heinous act,such a vicious act. Sadly, it is a tragedy that has a profound grief on the various families not withstanding the entire country . I like to extend my condolences to each Liberian that lost a loved one during that era and during the un-civil war in Liberia. Cousin, my comment for what it is worth, nothing more or less, was not intended to make a 'political correct' statement. My thread was only to correct the error "True Liberian" made in his post #1,last paragraph.True Liberian said "he was never member of the AFL before 1985".I suggest,you check the personal records of the AFL. I am sure you will find out what I alluded to: that Mr.Julu was in fact a bonafide member of the AFL in the early 1970's. So, I dont understand when you say ". Hey AL, Please don't tell me that you, of all people can be fooled by that so called (JULU) Shit!!!!!!!!" My question to you is, how have I been "Fooled by so called Julu Shit"? FACT: Mr.Julu while in the military (AFL) he and his family (wife,two daughters,one son and his little sister) rented rooms from my mother back in the days (early 70's). FACT: He was very particular about his military uniform appearance(well dress,neat and well press). Many had the impression back then (renters and neighbors), that he was a over zealous military practician. In reference to his wife, my personal opinion and obervation; she had a unique characteristic about her that I admired. She was a soft spoken,beautiful and such a benevolent woman, always willing to give a helping hand.The Julu's kids were all young: between the ages of 5-7yrs old, his little sister if I'm not mistaken,couldn't have been over 12 yrs old. These are the fact. Thanks. MAY THE SOUL OF ALL OUR DEAR DEPARTED REST IN PEACE.

	32. 07-11-2009 01:54
	Jackson Towah adventure Pls Jackson, stop doing all of this. I have discovered that you are the one wrting this using all kinds of names. You did this same 7 months ago and Gargar did not notice it but I did. Try to go back to school. Your name is not Hosea, or True Liberian. You are Jackson and a country Krahn man.From your writting style, we all not know that this is another Julu brother. You will be exposed shortly. Trust me.

Mark

	33. 07-11-2009 07:51
	Is Nimba developed? Hosea, is Nimba county developed now so that Nimbaians are spreading their develoment magic to grand Gedeh? you are all the same stupid people. Samuel doe, chayee Doe, Harrison Pennue, charles Julue and the rest may be frying in hell. so is Jackson f. doe, moses Duopu, thomas Quiwonkpa and all those people fooled by charles Taylor and Killed. Nimbains are in grand Gedeh because Grand Gedeh is a rich land and Grand Gedeans are hospitable people who don't keep malices like those barbarians from Nimba County. nimba used to be the center of attention for ruling Americo-Liberians because of the mining company mining the Nimba Mountain. But they took all the wealth out and Nimba today is like an abandoned town. Even the road from Ganta to Yekepa is not paved. It was not paved thirty years ago when I was there. I understand it is worst now. So, Hosea you are the ignorant and stupid one. Believe me, Charles Taylor could not have treated the Grand Gedeans the way he treated the Nimbaians. I think all Liberians know that. And Charles Taylor knows that too. Have a great day. Kai Dweh

Kai Dweh

	34. 07-11-2009 18:31
	Kai Dweh Are you a Liberian or something else? I have noticed from your expressions that you are so tribalistic. Why do you constantly refer to Grandgedean Nimbaen and all of that? The bigger picture is Liberia. No county can exist without the other. Those elements of nimba and Grand Gedeh can not represent the entire county or tribe. Liberia has sub divisions, but the same country. The problem with that country is due to the exploitation of it's meager resources by past leaders, to the point that most people lack basic neccessities like electricity, safe drinking water, schools, and even a decent living place. Are you happy if any one sector of the country lacks good road? Which part of Liberia is infracstructually develop? Don,t just come on an international website and make mockery of yourself by presenting some silly idea like you have done twice on this forum. You are the kind of people who talk foolishness in our country due to the limited education that you have, coupled with inexperience. You are one of the victims of the frustration brought on Liberians by our past leaders. That is why at your age, you are still living as a poor, frustrated, semi literate individual who is just xenophobic. When you logg in here, please know what to say and don't use this forum to propagate hatred. http://easy going

Rebuttal

	35. 07-11-2009 19:45
	The joke is on you Julu servant I do not blame you Kai Dweh. I blame Nimba for educating you during your time in the county. Grand Gedeh is a jungle when compare to Nimba. I know it, you know it and every Liberian and foreigner who have ever visited both counties in the past and present know it. If at all Nimbaians are residing in Grand Gedeh as some of you are claiming, then their sole purpose of being there is to develop you. And I suggest you take advantage of their knowledge. Samuel Doe had the opportunity to develop your county and did not do so, because he was more focus on killing citizens in Nimba and the country. Jackson F. Doe, Moses Duopu and Quiwonkpa, those men were great servants of God. I seriously doubt they are frying in hell. That's something we cannot say about Samuel Doe, Charles Julu, Roselvelt Johnson, Pennoh and Chae Doe. It is also very interesting that your krahn brothers died at such young ages. You claimed Taylor fooled Nimba and whatever happened to Nimba could have never happen to Grand Gedeh. I suggest you re-think your thoughts because, Nimba was plotting to get rid of Doe and his evil ways long before Taylor enter the picture. If Grand Gedeh is a county that sits and allow another human beings of their kind to bullie and destroy their lives then, that's fine. But Nimba will not tolorate such nonsense and that is why Doe is a dead man and Charles Julu did not die of natrual causes and most definitely did not receive a state funeral. Again may their souls rot in hell.

Hosea

	36. 07-11-2009 21:51
	Nimba has tolotated nonsense already Nimba county has tolorated nonsense already by electing Ellen Johnson and Prince Johnson who both either killed or supported the killing of Nimbains for free. Mark

Mark

	37. 08-11-2009 00:23
	The truth hurts Now I am semi-literate and tribalistic. It was you who said that Nimbains are in Grand Gedeh to develop the county since Samuel Doe failed to develop the county. And I am asking if Nimba has completed its development? For a fact, Nimba got a lot of investment during the americao-Liberian rule. But can you say that Nimba is developed than other counties? Ms.Mulbah grew up in Nimba but she seems to know something about Grand Gedeh and she did a comparative analysis and her conclusions seem to be that Nimbains are flooding to grand Gedeh after killing their women and children. I agree that Nimbains tried in the past to get rid of Doe simply because of jealousy but they could not do it on their own. So, they have to allied with a criminal and murderer like Charles Taylor. Taylor turned on them and killed all their leaders. Charles taylor used Nimbains to kill Nimbains. How stupid can a people be to allow someone like Taylor to use you to kill your educated ones and still continue to support him. That's how stupid these people are. And I will say this again. You may think that Grand Gedeans are backward. But they will not allow anyone to use them to kill one another, more especially their educated ones. You can carry that to the grave. Kai Dweh

Kai Dweh

	38. 08-11-2009 04:09
	Clear Case Kai Dweh, I am not from Nimba County, neither from Grand Gedeh, but from Liberia. It is an obvious fact and clear-cut case that the people of Grand Gedeh do not have any sense of development, humility or peace. \simple example; which local Liberian development association comprising people of the same tribe, from the same county are fighting and executing lawsuits againt one another? My answer is Grand Gedeh Association in the Americas. This group organzied for development has become an instrument of hatred and discrimination. Mrs. Martha Kannah came under strong attack from some of her fellow Grand Gedeans when she declared her intention to contest the presidency of the association...one case in point. AAs we talk there is a case in court against the former president of your Grand Gedeh AAssociation..(pardon me) if the case has been resolved. People on this forum have read over and again cases of in-house fighting among people from Grand Gedeh....case two Jackson Towah is also a center of attraction on this forum. Grand Gedeans say he is not from that county and so on....case three So tell me Kai Dweh, how can county divided against itself boast of being decent people?

Keen Observer

	39. 08-11-2009 04:48
	Grand Gedeh is now lighting up very fas Now that the Oil palm Plantation and swamp farm investment is going to Grand Gedeh, Trust me Grand Gedeh will be full with people from Nimba like they did during Tolbert and Doe administration. Grand Gedeh is a land of Great geographical variety. Even go to Grand Gedeh right now, International NGOs all over the place. Go and see. I was there just last year may. Nimba has mineral resources but what must be told is that the mineral resources have depleted so much that Meltel steel is just scrapping the last Iron ore out of county. The Last Diamond are now been taken away. But Grand Gedeh remains untouched when it comes to mining mineral resources. A huge deposit of gold has just been discovered in Garand Gedeh. ellen Johnson-sirleaf wants to mine the Gedeh mountain. She wants to bring in the Russians but the people of Grand Gedeh are saying there must be an agreement promising that the citizens will have a stake in the project and that the enviroment will be protect. In fact They basically told the president that Their own son must head the project. There are lots of potentials for Grand Gedeh County.

Mark

	40. 08-11-2009 06:52
	Grand Gedeh is now lighting up very fas Al,Al,Let me school you a little bit.True Liberian might be right(The Satan Julu)was dismissed from the AFL sometime in the 70's by The late Great W.R. Tolbert(smile) for plotting a unsuccessful tribal coupe.But Tolbert was a godgiven man to spare that ass life.I'll not call names, but do you remember the old saying in Liberia?" If we let or give those country people the change of ruling this country,They'll fuck the whole thing up". So, back to what True Liberian said, he might be right,Doe did reinstated him in the 80's. Well then AL, you blessed you was not in Liberia at that time, you have no knowledge about the HEINOUS and VICIOUS KILLING this killer(Satan Julu)did in Nimba,The Country,and to the Liberian People living aboard and God have mercy on those that is still in your country.STOP glorifying this killer and his so-called family, you should be ashame of yourself, your intention about this killer(Satan Julu) is stupid, very stupid, stupid.If you wasn't hiding in America, and you was in Liberia at the time of(Satan Julu)heinous and vicious killing spree he was going to kill you and your mother that rented that killer her room.Something tell me you are not Krahn or Nimbian/or from Nimbia,probably you're Krahn?Listen,why will i waste my time checking the AFL Records about a mess killer;(The Satan Julu), cause you sound like you worshiped this Killer.Hey killer worshiper AL,it's a disgrace reading your comment, I pity you fool!!!!!!...Tell me more about this Killer.. COUSIN

Cousin

	41. 08-11-2009 08:19
	Does Charles July really deserve state f It appears to me that most of the comments made here came from people who are Nambains or so-called supporters of the most fearful man in Liberia. Charles may have been a good person but his actions did not depict it. How would a person who killed over 100 children by burying them alive only because they are from a particular ethnic group would be classified as a good man.Both the Grand Gedeans and Nambians can excuse themselves from mass killing that went on in our country. The ethnic groups including the Mandingo are main perpetrators of the death of our families, many of whom have nothing to do with the cause of the war. All of these people should not be honored neither in life or in death.

Kabel Kobo

	42. 08-11-2009 17:58
	Joseph Solo is jackson on this Keen Observer, call Jackson and talk to him on the phone, you will notice that his subject and verb don't agree at all. Joseph Solo usually gives his article to Jackson to send to Liberian forum. Jackson is well know as a drunker in Grand gedeh. He is just a high school C student. Glay

K.Glay

	43. 09-11-2009 11:51
	what are your thoughts on the subject? I don't know who you are. But I will address your allegation anyway. Why would I give my article to Jackson Towah to publish in his name? Who am I afraid of? When I was in Liberia where people get arrested for expresing their opinions, I was not afraid to publish my articles under my name. I took leaders to task from the True Whig Party to the People's Redemption Council. If it is not because of the war, I would have referred you to Liberian Newspapers such as New Liberian, The Daily observer, The Liberian Age,etc.Also, if you like, you can check such websites as the perspective, New democrat, Frontpageafrica,liberian Observer, Grand Gedeh website, BushChicken and many other sites. You can check such American newspapers as the Chicago Tribune, chicago Suntimes, Chicago Defender, Philadelphia Inquirer and many others. So, I do not Pass through anyone to make my opinion known no matter what the subject is or who is involved. Joseph Solo

Joseph Solo

	44. 09-11-2009 20:37
	Disgreed, but agreed in the end. My fellow countrymen, i know you love your country so much, and the debate here is legit.What we should do here is disagree to agree and that is exactly what we all are doing, but we are going to the extremes by lobbing verbal innuendos on one another. I know we all are passionate about our place of heritage, but like one of the commentariat said the greater picture should be dear Liberia.Insulting each other will do us no good; i know we all are erudite men/women and we should behave as such. No matter your origin we are all Liberians and bygones should be bygones. We can not continue to carry on in this manner, then all we are doing is trying to reignite old wounds.This is the beauty of debate to educate and excite our minds. Our people will not be serve by sectarianism and division, but by socio-and economic development of our country. the way forward is trying hard to educate our less fortunate brothers and avoid fanning the already quench flames brought by the fraticidal conflict that divided Liberia

Muyenneh Nyanfore

	45. 10-11-2009 09:17
	Well put Munyenneh Nyanfore, Very well put. Yes, we are all Liberians and we need to put the past behind us. But there are some among us who will not do that. when it comes to Grand Gedeans, there are people who have such hatred about them that they do not hide it. They will go to the extent of insulting and denigrating a dead man. General Julu did not get a state burial. so, what? william tolbert did not get a state burial either. Neither did samuel Doe, Thomas quiwonkpa and many other Liberians. But some of our friends will not let go. Then when someone tries to remind them that most of our people have gone on with their lives and Nimbians are living peacefully in Grand Gedeh and that is a cause for celebrations, they will not burge. they will continue to hurl insults at Krahn people. The fact that Grand Gedeans are having public disagreements has nothing to do with General Julue and Gedeans and Nimbians relationship. At some point the truth has to be told and Nimbians must admit that they were fooled by people who turned around and did much harm to them than Samuel Doe ever did. And some of us are saying that it does not matter what they think of Grand Gedeans, they are steadfast and they will not allow someone like Charles Taylor to fool them and after getting in power, turned around and kill their educated ones. This is what Nimbians have to deal with and it has nothing to do with Grand Gedeans publicly fighting amongst themselves. Kai Dweh

Kai Dweh

	46. 10-11-2009 13:38
	Is Charles Julu the only devil in liberi cousin, if charles julu is considered to be a devil as you claim,then how do you consider prince johnson who was on display during heat of the civil war in central monrovia, executing liberians for no justifiable reasons? And also how do you consider ellen, your president,who was the chief architect and financier of the civil war that killed more than two hundred thousand liberians?

	47. 10-11-2009 18:07
	Is Charles Julu the only devil in liberi i knew the gen as my team GM and he was a good man. may his soul rest in peace

girl

	48. 10-11-2009 23:14
	Thanks Nyanfor Thanks Nyanfor, for a brilliant end to this forum. I guess Kai Dweh would want to have a Grand Gedeh Country apart from Liberia. His only argument is based on Gran Gedeh- Nimba. But let him be reminded that all resources from where ever in Liberia serves the entire nation, and not one sector. Besides, Kai Dweh's view is not that of everybody from Grand Gedeh. The problem in our country started from our past leaders and people from places like Grand Gedeh, Nimba, etc. are just a little droplet in the mighty ocean of corruption that have haunted our country. What does Kai Dweh have to offer the Liberian people or even his beloved Grand Gedean? Just empty talks and hate remarks? Wake up Kai, you still live in the then. Our solution, according to Nyanfor is socio-economic development. Yes, this forum started when Salee spoke about the denial of a state funeral for kalekula julu and everyone came in to disagree or agree, but for Kai, he continuously base his argument about how Taylor killed the Nimba people, etc. after giving them power. Look, all the people who have the Liberian people blood on their hands will be held accountable, if not in a man made court, then before God. So, Kai, you probably have a hand in the Liberian people blood, that's why a murderer like julu would concern you. We are not talking about Krahn people, Gio people here, be objective when you argue, we are talking about one of the Liberian murderer who did not deserve any state funeral, not because he was of the krahn ethnic group only, but because he was outright wicked. He is not the only one. If the case of others from some part of Liberia comes up, I guess the law makers will do the same, so Kai, it's about time you shut up because you have nothing reasonable to offer on this forum rather than your baseless mumble jumble about krahn people, nimba people. You probably need to travel a bit outside Liberia and see how other countries like Ghana with more than 100 different ethnic divisions co exist because their government made use of their resources. Almost everyone has assess to electricity and other basic neccessities, so they don't have time to worry about what tribe you come from. Once more, thanks to Nyanfor, an illustrious son of Liberia who climaxed this discussion and people like Kai with his monotony should just shut up! Easy.

Easy going

	49. 11-11-2009 06:19
	Thanks Nyanfor AL, haven't heard from you in awhile, what happen? Did I school you? Cousin

Cousin

	50. 11-11-2009 10:51
	PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE Cousin, I'm disappointed that you took the route of spewing insults, instead of having a dialogue. This unprovocative outburst is unnecessary. I wish we could have a more civil exchange of facts and ideas. As the saying goes: The worst sin towards our fellow humans is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; that's the essence of inhumanity. Some of us are bound to the truth and objectivity. My thread could have been understood with a little comprehension and translation. However, the relationship I had with the Julu family, during my teenage days does not overshadow said events you and many others have alluded to. I believe that we, 'the people' of this great nation can somehow come together in finding a way to progression. When 'we' the resource, of this great country,can come up with a strategy that will blossom us into a spiritual nation of one. 'A people with one cause'. A cause that embraced economic growth,social-justice and peace.In the meantime, address the issues that meet the needs of the present, hopefully without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs. Goodbye, I wish you well in all your endeavors.