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Sherman’s Gravy Seeking Defense of a "White Collar Rebel'" Print E-mail
Written by Chorphie Charlie   
Saturday, 18 July 2009

varneyshermanCOMMENTARY BY CHORPHIE CHARLIE

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe was one of Germany greatest thinkers and argued that “Insofar as I am static, I am enslaved.”  This thought is regarded as a romantic polarity, a romantic concept to be on two sides of an issue at the same time and not a prisoner to a particular dogma.

Such thinking characterize a famous adage in Liberia that “the wise man changes” thus licensing our so-called educated political actors to deceitfully vacillates in the politics of gravy seeking by disregarding what Plato described as the ideal government-JUSTICE. This is the case with Counselor Varney Sherman.

Quoting FPA News, Counselor Varney Sherman has now come out in defense of Madam President, Ellen Johnson in the wake of the TRC report listing her as a WAR CRIMINAL. Counselor Sherman described the charged against Ellen as political motivated to prevent THE ACCUSED from contesting the 2011 presidential elections of Liberia. The TRC report recommended the banning of Ellen and forty-nine (49) other political actors for thirty-years (30) from holding elected offices in Liberia. It is no secret that this very Varney Sherman opposed Ellen in the last elections of 2005 and labeled Ellen exactly what the TRC has accused her of. Sherman at the time characterized Ellen as a “white collar rebel.” The term “white collar” refers to individuals who use their legitimate position of public trust to commit crimes.  So was Varney Sherman intentionally deceiving the Liberian people by calling Ellen a “white collar rebel” so that he could get elected president of Liberia?

Sherman defense of Ellen is a classic Liberian politics of gravy seeking under the guise of romantic polarity or that the wise man changes. When Goethe philosophized about romantic polarity he was not speaking about the politics of vacillation simply for seeking gravy. Goethe was making a point that Emmanuel Kant would argued, transcendental reimagination.  Transcendental reimagination, in this sense is what the Americas would regard as the politics of moderation or acting as a centrist. It is an attempt to understand and experience how the other side thinks and feels by not adopting an extremist viewpoint. Extremism imprisoned the mind and blocks our sense perception from viewing the world in its true context. Extremism reduces the world to the narrow confines of the individual’s self interest culminating into some of the worst actions in human history from terrorism, genocides, holocaust, and the very bloodbath that occurred in our nation. This is what Goethe was referring to “Insofar as I am static, I am enslaved” not using others, under the guise of wise men changes, as a mere means to a selfish-gravy seeking end.

Counselor Sherman further described the TRC report as a “blanket indictment” and that it “violates the language and spirit of Article XIII of the Comprehensive Peace Accord”. What!  Is the Counselor really serious? Now the learned Counselor has placed his legal credentials on the line just for gravy. Ok, let’s examine Article XIII of the Comprehensive Peace Accord:           

Section 1: A Truth and Reconciliation Commission shall be set up to address issues of impunity, as well for an opportunity for both the victims and perpetrators of human rights violation to share their experience…..

One needs not to go further but address the term “IMPUNITY.”  IMPUNITY simply means “exemption from punishment” for crimes that was committed. In international law, it is regarded as the failure to bring persons to justice who have violated or abused human rights. So clearly, section one of Article XIII of the Comprehensive Peace Accord is empowering the TRC to bring those people to justice who have committed human rights violation but have been “exempted” whether under the very CPA, the Liberian Legislature or any other body. This section is saying that these people must be book. Now moving on to:

Section 3: The Commission shall among other things recommend measures to be taken for the rehabilitation of victims of human rights violations.

So how do we read this section? Clearly it is saying that the TRC “must recommend measure to be taken for the rehabilitation of victims of human rights violations” but such recommendation should be combined with “other things.” Thus, one could argued that rehabilitation of victims could be in the form of mental health treatment, restitution, restoration but it must be combine with RETRIBUTION? Here again, the action is left to the TRC in keeping with section one to address IMPUNITY. So our learned Counselor in his quest for gravy misses the metaphysical construct of the theory of dialectic understanding.  George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, another German philosophy, was the master of dialectics. Hegel arguments was fundamental to synthesis of opposites, it proposes that “every concept, as we think about it, begins to show us its limitations, and passes over into its opposite, into the very negation of itself.”  Simply put, Hegel is saying that the TRC concept for reconciliation cannot reach its fullest potential to reconcile Liberians without cancelling out reconciliation to achieve JUSTICE. Hegel’s dialectics is premise on a “triadic”: a thesis, anti-thesis, and synthesis.

Hegel’s triadic embarks on a thesis to reconcile all Liberians due to the conflict of war, it then moves to the anti-thesis that reconciliation cannot just be about IMPUNITY (exempting perpetrators from punishment). Thus, the anti-thesis of punishment cancels out the thesis of pure reconciliation to pursue an element of truth that illuminates the crimes of war  and making it correct to dispense punishment as a deterrence – to stop or prevent others from bringing future wars upon the people of Liberia.  Thus, the triadic moves into its final stage of synthesis and embark on a transcendental mission to again reconcile the thesis and anti-thesis. Here the synthesis engages in Nietzschean sublimation of reflection, not in the sense of Freud’s psychoanalytical defense mechanism as “Notorious Libs” (warlords) are doing but to heal the wounds of all Liberians where perpetrators will show “contrite” and victims will show forgiveness. 

Thus, for Liberians to liberate ourselves from a political curriculum, plagued by gravy seekers like Counselor Varney Sherman, we must embrace Hegel’s dialectic for dynamic change from conflict, contradiction, opposites, towards Kant resolution of transcendental reimagination. Only then, will we be able to organize ourselves on John Locke’s theory of enlightenment. That is using human reason both in a scientific and analytical way to build a great nation.  And so, Varney Sherman is no wise man, no romantic and no transcendental figure; he is simply on a personal mission for wealth and power; Varney Sherman is a gravy seeker.

On the altar of Jehovah, I pledge undying resistance to the politics of gravy seekers.  Above all else, the people’s struggles must continue. It is time to build a BLOJU NATION. Excuse me while I throw out!

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2. 20-07-2009 13:16
 
EXTREMISTS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO TAKE T
EXTREMISTS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO TAKE THE NATION TO THE ABYSS AGAIN!!!! 
 
Those that are calling for the President to resign or support the flaw recommendation of the TRC are all extremists.  
 
These extremists are narrow-minded - they do not have the interest of the nation at heart - they will rather see the country plunge into another war just to satisfy their selfish hatred of one person - Ellen Sirleaf. 
 
This description of extremists (extremism) aptly applied to the author of this article and few others like him. 
 
"Extremism imprisoned the mind and blocks our sense perception from viewing the world in its true context. Extremism reduces the world to the narrow confines of the individual’s self interest culminating into some of the worst actions in human history from terrorism, genocides, holocaust, and the very bloodbath that occurred in our nation." 
 
These extremists are blinded by their hatred for one person with no regard for Liberia. 
 
Is the author also a fan of Hitler – he is from Germany too.
 
TheLiberianPeople
3. 20-07-2009 16:36
 
Mass Murderer
Hitler and Ellen are part of the same club, 'The Killing Club'. 
You kill a couple people, they call you a murderer. Ellen killed several thousands. She is called,'a hero' by "TheLiberianPeople"
 
J. Finley
4. 20-07-2009 17:15
 
To extremist TheLiberianPeople
Why are you using the name of the Liberian people to displays your extremism? It is you my friend that is an extremist because it is you that is suggesting that unless Ellen remians our president Liberia will degenerate into war. 
 
It is you that is narrow minded and seeking only to protect an individual instead of the nation. If you are a true Liberia don't you think that you will put the nation frist to the point that Ellen should leave power to save the state. 
 
It is evidently clear by the TRC that Ellen is a war criminal so a criminal cannot continue to be the leader of a people.
 
Bobby Tarlue
5. 20-07-2009 20:56
 
Mass Murderer?
Mr. Finley, 
 
Let's get serious! I strongly believe in free speech. I grant that you're exercising your constitutionl rights by comparing Johnson-Sirleaf with Hitler of nazi Germany.  
 
On a more prudent and serious level, I think you have gone a little too far. Johnson-Sirleaf did not send the Liberian people to the gas chambers neither did she single out a body of people because of their religion or because of their sexual orientation. Hitler did. I don't see a similarity. Do you? 
 
Unbelievable is the comparison you've made. Sad is the way your analogy fits the situation you're describing. When an individual mistakenly or unintentionally kills a person or more, that's a manslaughter. A typical example of a manslaughter occurs when a "drunk driver" accidentally rams off track and kills some innocent bystanders. If the killing of two people is premeditated, the killer is a murderer. 
 
In both situations, Johnson-Sirleaf did not plan to carry out mass killings neither did she accidentally take away the lives of Liberians. The war was an unfortuate "uncivil war". The removal of Doe from power was conceived by Taylor. Terrible and gruesome as it was, no one was spared. The good died with the bad! When it became clear that Taylor might succeed in the process of forcibly removing Doe from power, most Liberians, including Johnson-Sirleaf joined the bandwagon. 
 
I am not trying to absolve Johnson-Sirleaf of any crimes she might have committed during the war era. If it can be shown that she was heavily involved, she should be called to the bar to account for her misdeeds. Still, comparing her with Adolph Hitler is a stretch which I believe cannot stand scrutiny. 
 
Some Liberians are convinced that Johnson-Sirleaf is not saying all she knows about the uncivil war. That maybe true. My issue is that she is not guilty until she's found guilty in a court of law by a jury of her peers. 
 
The issue of corruption in Liberia is alarming. I think Liberians will do more by concentrating on the issue of how corruption, the rising crime rate and unemployment can be dealt with in Johnson-Sirleaf's government than blaming her for the killing of innocent Liberians. This does not mean that she should be given a free pass. No way.  
 
It is my view that the most pressing issues of our time are those I have mentioned and of course, many more. 
 
The rising crime rate in Liberia is serious. The unemloyment rate in Liberia is staggering. Hardcore criminals are not severely punished. Schools are not adequately functioning because insufficient textbooks and desks are in short supply in some counties. 
 
I think the label "murderer" does not apply to Johnson-Sirleaf!
 
Nao
6. 21-07-2009 05:35
 
Enemies of Liberia
TheLiberianPeople, Do you really believed that this your NPFL.OLDMA, who has killed so many Liberians (senior citizens, women and children)care about liberians? 
 
In the process to gain power 
she order Taylor to destroyed  
our poor undeveloped Nation. 
 
She even order Taylor (on BBC)to level the executive mansion regardless of who was in it, at the time. 
 
You are suggesting to me and the forum, that this NPFL old lady love Liberia? 
or the people of Liberia? 
 
Because she and her sister(Johnson Morrie) stole the 2005 Elections results from the Liberian people? 
 
You're suggesting now that people hate her, and that may result to another civil war? 
 
My view is that, her refusal to step down, might be a reason for another civil war, 
and she will be the cause. 
 
She is on the American government list of leaders who are stealing from their people to enrich theirself. 
 
Where will she run to, when hell brake loose in Liberia, because of her refusal to step down? Many of you who are defending Ellen's poor leadership in monrovia, are the real enemies of Liberia.
 
Thomas Doe
7. 21-07-2009 11:51
 
Mass Murderer !!!
Mr.Nao, you said "I think the label "murderer" does not apply to Johnson-Sirleaf!" Let me ask you a few questions. When innocent people are being killed and you are part of 'the killer club,' what do you think you are going to be called? Did Hitler kill all of those people by himself? Didn't he give an order that was carried out by his comrade?  
Nao, with all due respect this forum is not the court of law. Whether it is manslaughter, murder or genocide, people were killed. The orders were given by the hierachy members of 'The Killer Club'. Period. Those who commit genocide or war crimes against humanity, full account will have to be made of those who supported them in the process. 
Sorry to disappoint you.
 
J.Finley
8. 21-07-2009 18:10
 
Ellen supporters: Why should there be WA
Why should it always have to be war if Ellen is not given power in Liberia? Does Ellen owes Liberia? Don't othr Liberians have all and every right in keeping with the laws of our nation to demand the resignation of Ellen? Is this not what democracy is all about disagreements and agreements? 
 
Here is the question: Charles Taylor did not set foot upon Sierra Leone soil yet he is being held accountable as a murderer of SL because it is believe that he provided assistance to the RUF. So if this is the standard of international law, then why such law cannot apply to Ellen who has admitted that she initially supported the war in Liberia? 
 
This war threat by Ellen supporters clearly demonstrates who have been making war in Liberia, and it shows who are the real power greed people in Liberia.
 
Bobby Tarlue
9. 21-07-2009 19:30
 
Mass Murderer? Not yet, Finley
Hon. J. Finney, 
 
Without a shred of doubt, I strongly believe that the rule of law should apply when accusations are made against all war crime individuals. It is always important for us to keep this in our hearts and minds. 
In the Western world, if someone is accused, that person is "presumed innocent" until found guilty in a court of legitimate court of law. The law is the law! From what has been learned, Johnson-Sirleaf donated money to Taylor and others as the war raged. Still, she's not yet guilty until it can be shown in a legitimate court of law that the money she donated or the statements she made contributed to mass kilings. 
 
Finley, I am not suggesting that Johnson-Sirleaf is blameless. Please don't get me wrong. All I am saying is that a legitimate court of law (and not any kangaroo courts) should prosecute Johnson-Sirleaf after her term of office expires. Liberia's democracy is not the same as Obama's democracy. A forced resignation of EJS will send Liberia back to the 19th century. Let's be serious and face the truth! 
 
Once again, your comparison of Hitler and Johnson-Sirleaf is way off base.  
Let me provide clarity: Hitler was born in Austria. It was a known fact in Germany, Austria and elsewhere that he wasn't born in Germany. Somehow, he manipulated the Germans and became elected by the Nazis. Hitler's extremist views coincided with the Nazis and he immediately became an icon. 
 
Johnson-Sirleaf is a Liberian, born and raised. Although she's got some German blood in her body, she's a Liberian. Secondly, EJS was not a leader when she supported Taylor's war machine. She was a citizen-civilian when she donated money to her warlord of interest. Once again, I see no similarity! 
 
What can be said is that EJS is unable to escape blame for her role in the uncivil war that caused the lives of innocent Liberians. Because of her high profile activity during the uncivil war, she should have her day in court should in case such a court ever gets established in Liberia. On the other hand, it can be said that she's presumed innocent until she's found guilty. She hasn't been tried. Judgement is being passed on her. Would you like to be treated similarly? God forbid! 
 
Finley, there are many things that go on in Liberia as we write, speak, eat and drink. Those things that are very important to our time are worth discussing. You might have been born in a county that's far off from Monrovia. You need a paved two-lane freeway that runs from Monrovia and straight to your county of birth and mine. Furthermore, you need a country that cares for the unemployed and one that seeks ways to employed them. Additionally, you need a country that "manhandles" its corrupt kleptocrats and all criminals. Finally, you need good schools and many, many more. 
 
In my view, the above issues are the types of issues we should hold Johnson-Sirleaf for. There is no more war. Therefore, there should be no excuses. With regard to her participation in mass killings, the courts will decide in good faith at an appropriate time.
 
Nao
10. 21-07-2009 19:42
 
Ellen Haters.......
Mr. Tarlue, 
Did you support any warlord during the uncivil war? I supported Doe's forces against Kromah's forces. I preferred to see a Doe-man in office than an Alahaji Kromah as president. I had my reasons for doing that! I did not contribute money though. Does that make me a war crime criminal?
 
Nao
11. 22-07-2009 00:21
 
Indiscriminate Slaughter
Nao, My judgement of this lady is based on what she said about her contribution to the uncivil war,nothing more or less. One important thing you should know about The Killing Club: they do not discriminate in giving out membership. As long as you contribute in killing a few thousand no matter what your nationality is, you are a member. 
Nao, Ellen's resignation is of no concern to me. I have never comment on her resignation. However, if the Liberian people feel Ellen should resign, so be it. It's their(Liberian people) votes that put her in the highest office of the land. Liberia is not an individual private farm. 
 
Nao, the comparison you are asking for: Hitler, Ellen etc..are all in the business of bloodshed(indiscriminate slaughter). 
 
Nao, here is a poem for you: 
 
That Justice is a blind goddess, Is a thing to which we black are wise: Her bandage hides two festering sores, That once perhaps were eyes. -Langston Hughes
 
J. Finley
12. 22-07-2009 10:07
 
Thanks for your poem
Hon. Finley, 
 
Thanks for the poem! Just when I needed to read a brief poem, you brought in Lanston Hughes to fill in an insatiable appetite. 
 
I hope I am not being misunderstood. I therefore make the following pronouncements in order to show how and where I stand.  
I condemn all mass murderers! 
I am not a defender of anyone who takes away the lives of people. I am an anti-abortionist. I am against capital punishment from head to toe. I am against euthanasia.  
 
Now, according to your definition of a mass murderer, the following leaders must be held responsible: 
 
* Tolbert... He hanged criminals in Monrovia as well as in Harper, Cape Palmas. 
 
* Doe...Wessen, Tolbert, Flazamington, Quiwonpka and many more. 
 
* Taylor... An untold number of innocent Liberians. 
 
* EJS... The verdict is not yet in, because she hasn't been prosecuted and found guilty. Without doubt, she contributed funds and made outlandish statements as the war raged. If it can be shown in court that her statements aggravated and contributed to the loss of lives, she should be held responsible. There's one thing that stands out: Throughout her administration, no Liberian has been put to death. Fact! 
 
The main point that I am making is that there are more important issues out there that aren't being discussed. We seem to be preoccupy with EJS's participation in the uncivil war. On the other hand, that particular aspect of reality should never ever be forgotten or abandoned.  
 
However, the most pressing issues are worth discussing than wasting our precious time. Since 1847 when Liberia "declared" independence, a freeway has not been built in our country. This is a shame! There are some "dumbfanatics" who counter this argument by saying that because we've not been colonized, therefore there's no one to help us pave our roads. Do you buy this argument? What is more important than a good road sysytem? Now, we have a bunch of "good-for-nothing legislators" who are consumed in selfishness. These buffoons (the legislators) are unable to stand up in front of Ellen and demand a good road system. Worse are the men whose pants may burst open in front of Ellen should in case they demand a road system. The female legislators are not better off either. Some of them are derivatives of counties in the farthest parts of Monrovia. They do not consult with their constituents because they don't give a hoot. What then is our responsibility? 
 
In my view, non-governmental Liberians, (in and out of the country) need to put the heat on EJS for our country's interests to be served. Roads are needed in order for development to come in! Won't you agree?  
 
Hospitals: 
Is there a good hospital in your county of birth? Are Liberians incapable of studying medicine abroad? Nope! "Show a man how to fish and he'll feed his family by fishing". At a time when our country is no longer at war, this is the time for the brightest to be sent abroad to specialize in various disciplines of medicine. Who needs to bring this pressure on the president? "Non-governmnetal Liberians, of course"! The thugs we have as senators and representatives have homes in the white man's country. If they wish to obtain a "check up", they'll hop on the next KLM or Brussels airline.  
 
You are probably aware that Delta cancelled its planned flights to Liberia because of security concerns. Since EJS's ascension to power, she has made over 15 trips to America and other parts of the world. One would think that her emphasis would be on "fixing" the problem at Roberts international. Nope! Now, Delta hasn't been heard from since then. Do you blame Delta? 
 
It's the responsibility of all non-governmental Liberians to demand fundamantal changes in order for the developmental locomotive to keep moving. I am not against you tearing EJS apart, my friend. You have a constitutional right to say anything you wish. But, it seems that we can bring about a "better change" by calling for those things that are more important than wasting our time on EJS's past. Although her past should not be ignored, it's a top economic development item! 
 
Corruption in Liberia continues to make a crevice in the walls and streets of our country. I prefer we demand more for our people than accusing someone who hasn't been tried.  
 
Should EJS be let off the hook?  
Absolutely not!  
 
The pressure should be there, but 
the concentration area should be the most important issues of our time!
 
Nao
13. 24-07-2009 10:29
 
TRC has done a good job.
The TRC in Liberia has completed its job and made recommendation to the Liberian People through the government. All I can say is the Commission did a fabulous job and deserve to be acknowledged....thanks Cllr. Verdier and your commissioners.
 
aaron siafa
14. 24-07-2009 16:10
 
Nao's hyperbole
Nao, 
This in reference to the below hyperbole:  
 
"Throughout her administration, no Liberian has been put to death. Fact!" 
 
Ellen govt. is guided and guarded by UN and many stakeholders. Therefore, one cannot determine her political philosophy. No one in their right mind would develop the slightest though that a govt. enjoying the protection of Peace Keepers of the world body would kill anyone or opposition member.  
 
Ellen is incapable of engaging in human rights abuses, though some are committed occasionally without attention. 
 
Her govt. would have been different if she has army and police-free of UN supervision. Trust me Nao, Ellen regime has some bad  
 
elements around her who can influence her decisions. For example, H. Boima Fanbulleh Jr. is noted for his communist-authoritarian style of rule.
 
KMS
15. 24-07-2009 19:01
 
KMS's hyperbole
KMS, 
Despite the fact that the UN forces are policing Liberia, the facts bear out. No Liberian has been taken to the gallows to be hanged or executed anywhere in Liberia by a firing squad. The fact that Fahnbuleh could be considered a neo-communist, a bandit, a Marxist, a Socialist or a conformist does not negate the fact that capital punishment has not occured in the Johnson-Sirleaf government. 
 
I resent being misunderstood. 
KMS, I truly believe that some form of corruption exists in the Johnson-Sirleaf government. I have said that previously and I'll continue to make such a statement if and when the situation presents itself!  
 
What we tend to ignore is the fact that in the US, the Congressmen and Senators are constantly seeking ways to "grease their pork barrels". In other words, the lawmakers are fighting hard to get millions of taxpayers' money returned in their respective states so as to create jobs. 
 
In Liberia, a strange ballgame gets to be played. The referees are corrupt. They wear dark glasses at night in order to avoid being detected. When a foul is committed by one of theirs, no one blows and the game continues. There are no paved roads that could be driven on as one goes up country. It's a travesty! You would think that the Liberian lawmakers would ban together and discuss the issue of roads. No, they're not doing that at all. You wonder who these lawmakers represent. Do they represent themselves or the their constituents? Most likely themselves would be my answer. Would you blame Johnson-Sirleaf for such a mess? 
 
It's a form of corruption if the elected men and women are not putting pressure on the president. All the problems of Liberia cannot be solved by the president. It's not impossible, but it's unlikely given the tremendous odds. It's the duty of the elected officials to chip in. They can chip in by aggressively navigating through the walls of the Executive Mansion by demanding good hospitals, good roads and schools, county generators and many more. 
 
I agree that corruption exists in Liberia. Go to Liberia, Mr. KMS and make any attempt to open up a "shoe store" in your county. Most likely, your aim would be to create employment in your county. However, before you get to your county to start your business, you would have been beaten to the pulp because of paying bribes to your lawmen and women. Now, if you don't believe me, try it!  
 
Johnson-Sirleaf is not responsible for all the criminal activities that go on in Liberia. In Arizona, four Liberian boys were recently caught in a gang-rape activity. Would you blame Obama for such a crime? 
 
I call the shots as I see them my friend. There's no question that the crime rate is rapidly rising at an alarming rate in Liberia. Something's got to be done. The "biggies" in government are involved in that scam, it's not just the small folks. In a way, they're the exact referees I briefly described above. 
 
Recently, the Liberian VP spearheaded an ambitious "back to farms" program. That program will collapse if proper planning does not exist.  
 
Mode of transportation: 
Road construction will be a bonaza for all farmers because their crops will be brought to the markets. Let's hypothetically consider a Lofa man who plants corn. If he produces 100 bushels of corn this year, how will he transport his corn to Monrovia if the muddy road from his county is filled with 5-foot pot holes? If every bit of his corn cannot be sold in Monrovia, would he encouraged to plant more corn next year? Shoot, if there's no road, the "back to farms" program will die in its mother's womb! 
 
Secondly, how would a Sinoe county rice farmer transport fifty 25-pound bags of rice to Monrovia if the roads are messy?  
 
We often blame Johnson-Sirleaf for the problems of Liberia. Sometimes we need to look elsewhere when we point fingers. The elected officials of Liberia are a complete disgrace to the people of Liberia. Their involvement in the overall development process of Liberia will change the tide. 
 
Ellen must do her part. I am not sure if she can do everything that needs to be done. Our dependency on her to do this or that sometimes creates a problem.
 
Nao
16. 24-07-2009 20:10
 
Nao stick to pts.
Noa, you still have not understood my slant.  
 
The govt. of Sirleaf lacks willpower and the country lacks sovereignty-as controlled by UN. 
 
Now tell me, can this govt. kill people under the watchful eyes of the world body? 
 
Therefore, to say that Sirleaf govt. has not executed anybody is embroidery. For one fact, she is forced to abide by international creed in order for her regime to survive.  
 
In other words, and politically speaking, cognizant of international politics and laws, Sirleaf govt. is an interim one that has no other options but to obey and graduate.  
 
She would be the dumbest leader to kill anybody in Liberia. Corruption is an inclusively a different situation. This is far from my argument.  
 
Please let us make this debate very precise for the benefit of the debate.
 
KMS
17. 24-07-2009 20:35
 
Nao U off track
Nao, 
I limit my argument to your statement put in quotations-and not the rest of your slants.  
 
I hope this would help us come to a concurrence to move on to other issues that stipulate attention, discussion, and maybe inevitability.  
 
The area under discussion: 
"Throughout her administration, no Liberian has been put to death. Fact!"
 
KMS
18. 24-07-2009 23:15
 
Believe it or not, I am on target!
KMS, 
I really do not understand what you're saying. I don't care whether tens of thousands of UN troops are in Liberia, the fact remains! 
No Liberian has been executed since Johnson-Sirleaf's ascendency to the throne of presidency. 
 
You can claim anything you wish or condemn my factual statement as an embroidery. That's fine. I respect you, but I disagree with you! I am not stopping you from disliking Johnson-Sirleaf. You're entitled to your views just as I am to mine. 
 
For sure, the country is under a mini occupation. That fact was known by me years ago. However, the foreign forces are not in a full battle gear. I have a feeling that the UN's presence is helpful. The kooks who pillaged Liberia are still there waiting to start trouble. They're like the devils who are ready to torched Liberia once the UN forces depart.  
 
In any case, we must face the truth. If a notorious leader wishes to execute anyone, he or she will do so regardless of whether he enjoys the protection of the UN forces. 
 
In recent years by the way, African leaders are not chopping their opponents' heads off anymore. I think we've crossed that line where such things are no longer popular.  
 
There is no doubt that corruption exists in Liberia. I don't know of anyone who could have ruled Liberia without theft going on. Yet, I am not suggesting that Johnson-Sirleaf is a saint. By no means no! But she is not dumb either. That's my view of her! 
 
Mr. KMS, I think we've reached a "critical existence path". I firmly believe that your argument is not persuasive, and I don't think I am making a difference in your way of thinking. Maybe the best thing to do is to move on to other topics.
 
Nao
19. 26-07-2009 17:39
 
Nao! Nao!! Calm downnn!!!
KMS is making is simple statement of fact. The UN presence in Liberia is important to analysing and understanding the security and justice issues. Take for example , immediately upon assuming office, Ellen arrested and imprisoned political opponents like Charles Julu and others. She arrested John Morlue and others.  
 
So we can assume that had UN forces not been in Liberia Ellen would be doing worst. It is the UN that keep both the peace and security of Liberia. So the Liberian government has no control over the instruments of force.  
 
If Ellen was operating without UN presence in Liberia and exhibiting excellent leadership then you would be correct to give her such credit. But as it stands, only the UN can take that credit.
 
Chorphie Charlie
20. 27-07-2009 13:33
 
Nao! Nao!! Calm downnn!!!
I am so glad someone on this forum understands my area of contention in Nao’s post. 
 
I repeat, the area under discussion:  
"Throughout her administration, no Liberian has been put to death. Fact!"  
 
Most of us English second language (ESL) still need to work on our comprehension skills. It took Charlie no time to identify and explore the area under discussion as I identified it. 
 
The same goes to writing:  
Good writing is not how well we use words and sentences but our ability to exploit brevity and meticulousness for the benefit of our audience.
 
KMS
21. 27-07-2009 21:09
 
KMS & Chorphie, be calm, will you?
If anyone needs to calm down, two of you gentlemen need brakes on your skates! 
 
Morphie: 
In your article, you are demanding Johnson-Sirleaf to step down. That's the right you have as a Liberian to express yourself. I have no problems with you at all. Now, what right do you have to urge me about when I should express my views? In a democratic society, a difference of opinions occurs. Why are you upset? Does it make sense for us to think the same way? I doubt it, my friend! You and I are at odds simply because I do not share your views as they relate to when Johnson-Sirleaf should resign. Is this hard to understand? 
 
A quick look at your last paragraph in which you want to "throw out" is disgusting. 
How could you put yourself in such a position? There's nothing you can teach me about Johnson-Sirleaf. Nothing! Frankly, I don't need your lectures. 
 
Independent counsels who carry out investigations about corrupt individuls in America do not call for an immediate termination. If an individaul is found to be corrupt, the case usually goes to a grand jury in a court of law. In my view, the TRC is the equivalent of an independent counsel investigation in the US. It makes sense for us in Liberia to carefully observe how such cases are handled here in the US. Our democracy in Liberia is totally different than the American democracy. If Johnson-Sirleaf resigns tomorrow, there'll be choas in Liberia. It makes sense to deal with the Ellen debacle so that we don't fall back in the mess that pillaged our country for well over 14 years. That's all I am saying. 
 
Yes, some individuals were arrested early on in the Johnson-Sirleaf government, Chorphie. But, no one was put to death! It's a fact and I stand by it 100%! 
 
I don't understand why you want the UN troops out of Liberia?  
 
 
 
KMS: 
Once again, your request or demand for "brevity" will be denied! You will not make me to write according to your dictates, no way.  
 
Your one-liners are not persuasive. All they do is to rip your opponents up into shreds and that's it. 
 
I support Johnson-Sirleaf, but I am not a naive defender. If she's wrong, she's wrong. I constantly hear news from Liberia about corruption. I am not happy with her because she seems to be very kind to the crooks who masquarade in her government. I will continue to speak out about such issues as long as I live.  
 
Thanks for the time, bro!
 
Nao
22. 28-07-2009 12:41
 
Chorphie, Calm Down Brother!
Chorphie, 
Your point in post #19 is not well-received. That's why I am appealing to you to calm down. You're flying too high in the sky in your space shuttle. Come down to earth, brother! 
 
No credit for Ellen? 
Chorphie, Chorphie, Chorphie, are there American troops in Irag? What do you think? Is Irag free of violence? Who in your view gets the credit in Irag? The president? The people of Irag? Or the US servicemen and women? 
 
In other words, the security apparatus in Liberia is zilch! Our police men and women are not properly trained to handle violence. If war brakes out tomorrow in Liberia, the first thing the members of the armed forces will do will be to begin raping women or men depending on the circumstances. Next, theft will occur. Third, houses (that don't talk) will be shot at. Chorphie, let's approach this Ellen thing with maximum care, please.  
 
Listen to this, our military forces are being trained by Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Ghana and so forth. Chorphie, do you trust "people" like those to train your miliatry and police forces? By the way, would you as a president "rely" on the armed forces to protect you during the event of an emergency? Get serious, man! 
 
This Ellen thing is hunting some of you badly. Would you have had stability if the UN body didn't help settle our refugees? How many refugees did you personally settle out of Liberia? Now, all of a sudden, you want the UN forces out of Liberia. You sound like Rush Limabauch who wants Obama to fail. Do you really want Ellen to fail? Ah, Chorphie, calm down please. It's ok to be critical of EJS, but it's quite another to demand her ouster without carefully studying the issues. 
 
One of these days, Ellen will step down. She will appear in court. If she's found guilty, she will handed a sentence. But, when that happens, Liberia will still be there.  
 
Do you have presidential ambitions? Go there! This is the time to rally support for your people. While campaigning, tell the UN body that in your government, there'll be no place for the UN forces.
 
Nao

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