Is Liberia and Liberians at the Mercy of former Warlords?
Written by Ronald Y. Free
Sunday, 28 June 2009
In his book: The Theory of Justice, John Rawls argued that each person
in a society possesses an inviolability founded on justice that even
the welfare of society as a whole cannot override. As such, he
concluded that in a just society the rights secured by justice are not
subject to political bargaining or to the calculus of social interests.
A clear representation of Rawls’ views can surely be explained in what is now known as the “Virginia Declaration”. On June 19, 2009, there was a National Conference on Reconciliation held at the Unity Conference Center in Virginia, Liberia with representatives from all fifteen counties of the political subdivisions of Liberia.
Before the Virginia meetings, there were many discussions amongst Liberians both at home and abroad. There were some Liberians who strongly opposed the establishment of any court in Liberia to prosecute former war crimes suspects. They argued that any attempt to prosecute chief architects of the Liberian civil war, could lead us to another civil war. On the other hand, there were some Liberians who were beaten, tortured, brows beaten, jailed, charged, banned from peaceful protests and even forced to hide from security forces in their advocacy for the establishment of war crimes court in Liberia. They argued that those bearing the greatest responsibility for war crimes, violation of humanitarian Law, and crimes against humanity should be prosecuted in a war crimes court to account for their role in the Liberian civil war. They believe that we will only achieve lasting peace in Liberia if justice is served to the victims.
Lastly, there were some heads of former warring factions who even threatened to resist what they called “witch hunting”. They argued that it is/was because of their cooperation Liberia is enjoying relative peace. In other words, Liberia and Liberians are at the mercy of them!
Now, with the recent Virginia Declaration in which the delegates from the fifteen counties of Liberia called on the Truth and Reconciliation Commission to act on the recommendations that were put forth on June 19, 2009, how will the debate be shaped if the TRC were to accept recommendation number seven in its final report? Recommendation number seven (7) states: “that a court of competent jurisdiction be established in Liberia to deal with these cases (meaning, war crimes) immediately upon submission of the TRC’s final report”.
Remember, like in a popular democracy, the delegates represented the voices, views and aspirations of majority of the Liberian People. Will those views of the majority be at the mercy of few former warlords who promised to resist? Is it true that Liberia and Liberians are at the mercy of former factional leaders who recklessly boast of instability if they were to be targeted for prosecution? Is it a bluff or a legitimate threat? Is Liberia ready to prosecute war crimes suspects?
In my view, when Mohandas Gandhi said: “All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Adding that any compromise on mere fundamentals is surrender”; I think he was referring to a system of peace in which justice is essential. Yes, few years ago, in our search for a peaceful resolution to our civil conflict, we heeded to the selfish demands of power greed individuals and groups masquerading as freedom fighters by making them heads of transitional governments, giving them access to our country’s mineral resources which were already under their control and our entire country in the name of peace. Even though, we give them what they wanted at that point to get peace, now they want us to compromise justice which according to Rawls is the first virtue of social institutions. This time around, it is our time! No amount of bluffs or threat will weaken our resolve to seek Justice against suspects of war crimes in Liberia. The Virginia Declaration is the beginning of this bold march for justice in Liberia.
War crime court is not possible in Liberia during this administration.
Liberians may have to waite for a neutral president.
Warlord president (Ellen ) will not prosecute another Warlord.
She will not want to be prosecuted in court herself.
Prince Johnson, Ellen Johnson and others, will do everthing in their power to prevent prosecution.
One thing is certain, justice delay, is not justic denaied we shall over come some day..
I hope that Taylor's court would let him go free, and sent him to Monrovia.
3. 29-06-2009 16:30
We have to waite.
No compromise at this time.Justice will take it course. Great article!!
4. 29-06-2009 20:39
We will not Wait
Mr.Thomas Doe, I think if Ellen is one of the war crimes suspects, she will be made to respect the will of the people. She will resigned!! The people are prepared to embark on such a demand. They knew fully well that Madame Sirleaf will be involved in some of the crimes committed in Liberia. Ellen was elected like Prince Johnson.So,the same system that will bring people like Prince Johnson will bring Sirleaf. No more time for excuses to delay justice in Liberia.
5. 29-06-2009 20:57
FEW QUEST. FOR YOU GUYS
Do you think that the recommendation by TRC and your advocacy for the establishment of WAR CRIME COURT in LIBERIA will help to reconcile the country and give us the lasting peace we yearn for? Have you read the content of the Accra agreement which created TRC? Does it says that TRC mandate shall extend beyond their supportive and facilitating role? THINK AGAIN. And beside, don`t play the old game of partiality in compiling your list by restricting it to only Prince Johnson and Ellen J. Sirleah. Please, next time include the following: Kai Farley, Thomas Nimley, George Boley, George Dweh, Joe Gballa and Charles Julu. They are perpetrators that bearing the greatest responsibility of the barbarism. Like SAMUEL K. DOE used to say " town trap is not for rat alone".
6. 29-06-2009 23:08
Dangerous Game, Thomas Doe!
Mr. Thomas Doe,
I was off the air for some time because I was involved with something delicate. I was comfortable with my quiet time until something directed me to view what you have written. I tried to avoid responding to you, but I changed my mind because I'd blame myself if I neglected to respond.
A few weeks ago, I pointed out something to you regarding the dangerous game you're playing. You are quietly supporting Charles Taylor. Your last sentence in post number 2 expalins it all to me and the Forum's readers. You have been caught. Don't fight your way out from the jaws of the shark!
Why do you want to see Taylor freed, Thomas? Thomas, I am very disappointed in you. Comrade Thomas Doe, I thought you were with us. Once again, you have exposed your true blue colors.
Can you give your readers 5 good reasons why you think Taylor should be released and returned to Liberia?
7. 30-06-2009 00:46
Uprising in Liberia
Since Sirleaf took over the presidency of Liberia, I have not stopped dreaming about uprising in Liberia.
Liberians need to fast and pray. I saw the failed coup by Gen. Quinwonpka and the 1989 uprising.
With the 2011 withdrawal of UN and the current political and economic fragility in Liberia (corruption and prosecution of warlords), there is much to worry about.
The 39 people listed by the Virginia declaration for prosecution are the same people who run and hit back strongly.
As regards the question posed by F.S. Hney,to Mr. Doe, What justice is there if we prosecute Taylor and sentence him to prison while his sponsors and accomplices are in power acquiring wealth?
This is my answer, though Thomas will come forth with his.
8. 30-06-2009 06:47
Uprising in Liberia
You've not written a single article on this forum.
You're alway second the motion scholar. you've some good ideas, but why are you uncomfortable to write your own article for public analyses? Think about this my brother.
9. 30-06-2009 07:40
look at the future
Brothers and sisters of our sweet land of liberty (Liberia) let us not fight against ourselves just for the sick of power. The gift of power is given by God not by man, I say this to main that if you were born to become a leader of this country, you must become a leader before you go back to this soul that you were made out of. In view of this, I recommend that you stop slandering other people because of your own selfish desire. If you were to be appointed or elected as the leader of this republic, and if trace your activities you are not going to be freed from this issue of war crimes. So if your love this country let us forget the past and think of rebuilding our country Mama Liberia. Look if you have ears pay attention! My father once told me that “the ear that does not listen will be cut off with the head.” And here is another good one to keep in your minds _ when the rope is on another man’s neck you will also say let us pull it, but when it is on your neck you turn to say please take your time. A hint to a wise is quite sufficient. Please forget about the issue of war crimes court and think about developing the future of the youth that is said to be the future leaders of this country Liberia. Taylor is the men of this country if you think that I am a layer please try those that you think is the best. Taylor must be freed.
10. 30-06-2009 08:06
Indeed, no one is above the law
The below statement was made by Jerome Verdier, Chairman, Truth and Reconciliation.I agree with him. I want to add: Hope for justice in Liberia is glaring.
EQUAL JUSTICE: “No Liberian is above the law, and we have to begin a process of institutionalizing the supremacy of the rule of law in our country. Too many times we feel that because we are in authority we are above the law."
Jerome Verdier, Chairman, Truth and Reconciliation
11. 30-06-2009 09:50
Think again !
KMS, I O U a big drink. For posting #7. Bro. F. S. Hney chose to believe that I am supporting Taylor, which is impossible. I lived in the NPFL WAR 1989 TO 1993.
I saw the killings and the destructions to our already undeveloped country. Is even an insult for anyone to refered to me as a Taylor supporter.
Just as KMS indicated, If people who actively financed the war, Ellen Johnson, Richard Tolbert, Harry greeves, other killers like prince johnson and many others are now officials of the monrovia (Corruption)government. I need a reason why Taylor along should be in court, or in jail? Why Ellen Johnson, Prince johnson and others, running a stealing Club in Monrovia..?
I still like to see Taylor free, to take his place in the Monrovia stealing club, why not?
I do not support individuals I support principles and ideals that are at lease fear, at some level. I could careless how much money they steal.
My problem has being the human suffering, poor living conditions, and the poor overall development of our coutry. Liberia need a real leader. Not a club of Warlords, stealing from the people and the country, to repay war loans..That is the real B. S. Before I go, Bro. F. S. Hney now you need to tell us, why Taylor should not be free..
12. 30-06-2009 11:04
Articles? Stop kidding, Thomas
Thomas Doe, Your failure to explain why Taylor should not be investigated and sentenced (if he's found guilty) is the question posed to you by me. If you're unwilling to answer the question, drop it.
Thomas, I have written three articles previously, see the Perspective. At the time the articles were written, I was existentially committed to a topic of interest. Since then, I have not written anymore articles. If there's an issue out there that is as good as the topic that concerned me, I will not hesitate to write an article or two or even more. It is rediculous for you to think that I am uncomfortable to write my own articles.
If you want me to write an article, give me a "topic of interest" and we'll go from there. I enjoy what I do, but I'll go an extra mile for you if I feel that your topic of interest makes sense.
My name is Fillmore Sawbo Hney. Most, if not all "good friends and associates" of mine call me "Fill". From my college days , I have always used "F. S. Hney". The reason is that when I arrived in this country in the 70s, I went to school on the East coast. My social security number begins with a "0". During those days, some teachers preferred to use a student's social security number instead of the name. When grades were posted on the wall, a student identified his/her SS# & grade and moved on. Because of the "0s", I was always alomst at the top. On most college papers I wrote, I used "F. S. Hney. I got used to it.
Thomas, it is very impolite for you to screw up someone's name especially if that person is not at war with you. You're not my enemy! Why are you messing with my name, Thomas? You may disagree with my commentaries, but don't mess with my name. My name is not "Fisher Samuel Hney". That's very rude and disrespectful to assign a name I was given by my loving parents. That's very, very rude! I sincerely hope you'll take note of it.
Mr. KMS, In all civilized societies, all those that are found guilty are usually punished. Some criminals get by easily, but that should not be the practice of a body of individuals who organize to serve humanity. My point is this: "If Taylor is found guilty, he should not be left off the hook easily".
The destablization of any society (such as we saw in Taylor's outlandish behavior) is a serious crime against humanity. Not only was Liberia destablized, almost all of West Africa was affected. As a result of his madness, Liberia's educated men and women are scattered all over the world. Also because of Taylor's madness, scores of good Liberians died unmercifully. Irrespective of the fact that some buffoons are still "amongst us" who participated or glorified in killing innocent Liberians, well, let's take care of those we have in custody. Taylor was the mastermind, therefore, he's number one!
I am against capital punishment. I will never call for anyone's life to be taken, never! But, I do believe that if a thug is found guilty, he or she should bear the consequences. On the other hand, Thomas Doe was not clear when he wrote. He wants Taylor returned without saying exactly why? What's the message that's being sent out? Was he joking? How could someone joke with an issue as vital as Taylor's destablizing activity?
KMS, I understand what you mean. I have a feeling that you're in agreement with me. My take on the Taylor issue is that if he's guilty, he should be punished! I have been very consistent on this issue.
Good day, my friend.
13. 30-06-2009 14:26
This is the problem
F. S. Hney, this is my problem. This is our problem. This Liberians problem.
Taylor, Taylor must be in prison is all we sing. We have the natural tendency to making one individual the scapegoat.
F. S. Hney, now let me ask you a question. Are we saying that Taylor is the only alleged criminal in Liberia?
No!
But look, people feel offended and threatened when somone advocates for all accomplices to face war crimes charges.
But look, people also feel offended and threatened when somone advocates for Taylor to be free and form part of reconciliation process and national healing.
What is wrong with Taylor's return? Nothing! Absolutely nothng. We have many Taylors in Liberia who are coping and whom we are coping with.
Taylor alone cannot fight all of the Liberian people. Taylor can't wage war if he has no support from the other accomplices or former allies.
I disagree with the assertion that "Taylor was the mastermind."
The various definitions above would fit our progressives. You know what I mean.
Actually, Taylor and the commanders were all foot soldiers to Sirleaf and the others.
14. 30-06-2009 14:29
confused !!
MR.F.S.HNEY, I am confused. What are you talking about.
"Thomas, it is very impolite for you to screw up someone's name especially if that person is not at war with you. You're not my enemy! Why are you messing with my name, Thomas? You may disagree with my commentaries, but don't mess with my name. My name is not "Fisher Samuel Hney". That's very rude and disrespectful to assign a name I was given by my loving parents. That's very, very rude! I sincerely hope you'll take note of it."
In my last posting I refered to you as Bro.F. S. Hney, where did I "screw up" your name ?
I am not too big to apolozie but I am confused about your claim.
Taylor is been charged with war crimes. He will have his day in court. If he is convicted, the court will determined what to do with him. Equartely so, the same court could fine him not guity, which is also a possibility expecially for some one like Taylor, who has financial power. No one is saying Taylor should be free with due process of Law no.
APart from that, the real agrumnet is, why should Taylor along be in court, when all the other players are walking free? In all fearness they do not have a case against Taylor, if they do not have case against Ellen Johnson or Prince Johnson, and the other war lords, They should not have a case against Taylor bottom line.
I hope you're getting the point, sorry I am not a big writer.
Nevertheless, I am still confused about screwing up you name.
15. 30-06-2009 14:30
confused !!
Tell Hney to go to the TRC for the role he plays or his mother pussy hole.
16. 30-06-2009 18:22
Are you really confused?
Thomas Doe, Like you, I am not proud to apologize if I cross the path of a fellow human being. That's how I am. There is an "ungentleman" who uses the name "Fisher Samuel Hney". His style of writing (see post numbers 8 & 13) are too unclean for me. What is so grotesque is the fact that when you respond, his commentary follows. That's very suspicious! Because of my suspicion, I came to the conclusion that you might be that person. However, since you claim not to be that "ungentleman" I apologize wholeheartedly Thomas.
But, the writer of post numbers 8 and 13 will not get a response from me, not even one! A person who talks about the anatomy of all females (not just my loving mom) does not need an exchange of words from me, not even one! There are a number of intellectuals on the Forum who will agree that his response in #13 means that he has a long way to go. I refuse to get in the mud with him.
Thomas, nothing goes unpunished in this world. Those who participated in destroying Liberia and its people during the uncivil war will be judged. It's only a matter of time.
My point is that Taylor should be held accountable for the crimes he committed. If Taylor had not brought war to Liberia, we probably would have been better than we are today. Thomas, if Taylor is found guilty, he should be imprisoned. If he is let off the hook too easily, that would amount to an invitation of setting a negative precedent. There are some generals out there who could photocopy Taylor's experience. The bad people might say because Taylor didn't get punished, it's okay for them to destablize Liberia as well.
That's why Taylor should be properly investigated and punished if found guilty. There are some in the Liberian community who state that EJS and others were in cohoot during the uncivil war. That may be true and I am not a dumbfanatic who defends people defiantly or blindly. I wasn't in Liberia when the war broke out. Like most people, I lost a lot of relatives including my sister in the Bong Mines area. Whether I was there or not, our country has been ruined. I am of the opinion that all those who caused so much pain and sorrow, should not be seen walking the streets of Liberia. That's why I feel that Taylor should not be able to return to Liberia. Charles Taylor could be used as a prosecution witness if he agrees to testify against some of Liberia's "warlords". If Taylor names those who participated with him during the war, the world court leaders will have enough evidence to apprehend those he may name. Let's give them some time in the Hague.
Are you still confused?
17. 30-06-2009 21:47
Jackson Towah loose
From the email I received today, this pornographic act resembles that of Jackson Towah.
Dear Editor, administrator, this is bad for this web site; the act publishing pornographic expression.
Please, this is not well for this site
18. 30-06-2009 21:51
This is rude
15. 30-06-2009 14:30 confused !! Tell Hney to go to the TRC for the role he plays or his mother pussy hole. Fisher samuel
19. 30-06-2009 22:29
Wrong post
Hney,I think you talking about ref#15
20. 30-06-2009 22:39
OUCH-OUCH
Gabriel Nimely regrets role in execution of 13 Liberian gov't officials
Posted June 28, 2009
The first Minister of Information of the Samuel Doe military government in Liberia, Mr. Gabriel Q. Nimely has expressed regrets for his role in the execution of the thirteen former government officials immediately following the 1980 coup in that country.
He said, “I made one political mistake as it relates to the execution of those thirteen people. That’s what I regret, other than that, I am proud.”
He could not however say whether he was ready to openly apologize for that political mistake. Mr. Nimely said he will not apologize to anyone, not even a rat. He described his role as simply allowing the television crew to film the executions which he regrets.
As the Minister of Information at the time, Mr. Nimely was widely quoted by media reports of announcing that the executions of people he called the enemies of the people would take place that afternoon.
Speaking to WRAR-96 recently, Mr. Nimely who now resides in Ohio in the United States said he was asked by the People’s Redemption Council (PRC) to serve his country and he did his job and is proud of it.
At the time of the military take over, Mr. Nimely was working at the state-owned broadcaster as a newscaster, announcer and sports play by play announcer.
The former Minister of Information has meanwhile described as pathetic what he calls the refusal of President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf to appear before the Truth & Reconciliation Committee – TRC. When reminded that the President had in fact appeared, Mr. Gabriel Nimely said, he had never heard that she did.
He referred to her book in which she had earlier said would contain accounts of her role in the Liberian conflict as pathetic and carrying nothing about her involvement with Mr. Charles Taylor and Libyan leader Murmur Khadafi. Mr. Nimely said, President Sirleaf has failed to answer the question that people are asking – about how much she contributed to the destruction of Liberia and “the creation of the monster Charles Taylor”.
Mr. Nimely who was on a list of persons of interest required to appear before the TRC in December of 2008, said he refused to do so and would never have done it because, of the Commission’s mandate to look at the root cause of the Liberian conflict dating back only to 1979. He argued that the Liberian conflict started from the founding of the nation and by limiting its mandate to 1979 was the same old trick of the bourgeois class to try to blame the late Samuel Doe for what the Americo-Liberians did to Liberia.
He said the Accra agreement which created the TRC did not give a time frame to look at, and accused the Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf government of providing the time frame that limits the Commission’s work to 1979, adding “tell the whole story.”
Flashback: Partial view of the 13 former gov't officials executed in 1980
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In addition, Mr. Nimely said other than the list that had his name on it; he did not receive an official invitation to appear before the Commission.
21. 01-07-2009 07:46
Thank You.
Thank you Bro. F. S. Hney, for clearing the air. My character is not one that will called people names, or insults people to make a point. My whole business on this forum is to make sure we all have a better Liberia for our children.
I personally do not want to get recycle here in any American nursing home, I'll like to go home and contribute to my nation, and people.
Secondly, I am not on no side but the good side. I am for that which is in the interest of the masses.
22. 01-07-2009 10:42
Thanks Dr. Peller & Mr. Concerned
Indeed an error was committed by me. The writer in post number 15 is the one that I was referring to in post number 16. He or she will not be dignified by me in anyway. Each time I read his or her comment, I feel that I need to take a clean shower, not a bath.
My comrade, Toteh, is correct. There seems to be some kind of porn entering the gates of the Forum. The Forum is being invaded by people who show no respect for themselves. It's a shame! If this continues, I am afraid that the Forum will lose a lot of people.
If Toteh is listening, my advice would be: "Don't allow Jackson Towah to drag you in his mud. You're not perfect, not at all. But, you're cleaner than the mud that's been thrown at you! If it is possible, don't argue with him at all". It's about time that bygones had been bygones! I see no reason why Jackson's vindictiveness cannot abate. At some time, Toteh, you have to play the role of an older brother. Just move on gently, the very ones out there with brains will respect you.
I know very well that the best way to contain violence is to confront violence. Sometimes, when one walks away from violence, the perpetrator thinks that he's got an upper hand. Well, that's not always true. It's good to walk away from violence most times because one's self-esteem must be be kept in check or maintained.
If my suggestion makes sense, take it. If not, you're free to do whatever you wish. This is a free society and I cannot control anyone's free speech.
So long, pal.
23. 01-07-2009 11:35
Control yourself, Jackson!
Jackson Towah,
I really do not know the contents of the email you sent to Toteh. It would be highly unfair to accuse you without knowing your side of the story. So, I am not here to accuse you. I do know for sure that you sent him an email. You wrote to say you did it, that's the proof!
I want you to know that hundreds of Liberians and others read the Forum on a daily basis. A majority of the readers are intelligent, educated and responsible. I really do not know what's in the readers' hearts. I can guess that when they read the Forum, they prefer not to see negative exchange of words or dirt.
Jackson, it's my hope that you can help in this regard. You can start by "controlling yourself" and showing that you're an intelligent person. I am convinced that you're an intelligent person. Yes, you can show that you're an intelligent person, Jackson. A good way to show your intelligence is by way of refraining from the use of profane words or sending "hate-filled" messages to people. Think about it. You came to America to improve the quality (I hope) of you life. So why can't you refrain from doing or saying things that are bad?
A few months ago, you made a few mistakes. You embellished your educational achievement. In another situation, you referred to me personally as a youthful person. (You did not use the word "youthful", there was a word you used.) I knew that you misspoke. I was willing to come to your aid if you had declared that you misspoke. Instead of doing this, you became defiant. There's no way you can be helped or defended when you behave like that.
Guess what? I became a teacher before you entered high school! If you graduated from Len Millar in the 90s, you're not my contemporary, age wise! Yet, I am not bragging, God forbid! How can you refer to a person as a "boy" if you don't know that person? What does that say about you? On another occasion, you took your fellow Krahns to task in ways that were unnecesary. I warned you to refrain from such attacks. You didn't listen.
Jackson, all of us make mistakes. I am not perfect by an inch! I make mistakes all the time. In any case, I believe you can turn things around. I think you're threading on a path of self-destruction. Get off that path and do the things that are right. Respect yourself.
Promise: If you agree to apologize to the Forum's readers for the mistake you made in terms of embellishng your educational records, I will personally appeal to Toteh to drop all charges. Like you, I think Toteh wants to move on to better things than being embroiled in "school records" of individuals. I am not stopping you from making comments or writing articles. I want this mess stopped once and for all.
Jackson Towah, take a deep breath and thnk through my proposal. You will be okay. Let bygones be bygones. Let's move on to better things. Be a man, better yet, be a "gentleman".
So long!
24. 01-07-2009 12:07
No more
Comrade F. S. Hney, I have realized I was arguing with a mentally ill grown person. Gosh!!
I take your advice seriously. I have made the decision in my previous post, however.
After receiving his profanity email, I concluded my research and investigation into his state of mind.
My research findings are coming up.
Meanwhile, I still appeal to the editor and administrator to not publish rubbish such as number 15.
This is not well for the web site. I take my leave to continue my project. I may or may not be back for long.
I wish everyone good luck.
25. 01-07-2009 20:42
reply to post#16
Mr. F.S.Hney, "If Taylor had not brought war to Liberia, we probably would have been better than we are today" OK.. sir let reverse it if M/sgt. Doe did not disrespect the people of Liberia by stepping down Taylor would've not had the support of lunching war. How about that sir.
"He that rise by the swore will go down by the swore" this is the only language he understand.
NO ONE MAN IS ABOVE THE LAW.
Take a look at Iran today Mr. Fair smart Hney.
26. 02-07-2009 00:11
reply to post#21
Mr. Thomas Doe, you sound like broken stick, do you honestly think people can not read between the line to see where you're coming from? here is your statement from post#21, "Thank you Bro. F. S. Hney, for clearing the air. My character is not one that will called people names, or insults people to make a point. My whole business on this forum is to make sure we all have a better Liberia for our children.
Secondly, I am not on no side but the good side. I am for that which is in the interest of the masses".
reply..Mr. T. Doe, you sound like a drunker who is ask are you drunk? he reply NO I am not, meanwhile he is falling all over the place sir.. everyone can see you're taking side.
Mr. G. Nimely, is a arguing fella talking nonsense his uncle that he living with was Governor of New Kru town he ate every pennies for that area and drugs giving to the public clinic was used to be sold by them during the Tolbert err, plus, Mr. Nimely is a dead beat father is that Americo-Liberian responsible for that also come on folks?
27. 02-07-2009 08:15
Reply To #25, Hon.. Gargar Brown
Gargar Brown is a man of hospitality and generosity, the one and only gentleman who is placed above the law! With his power and influence, I urge all humankind to stay away from him or else he will fall below the law as all of us!
Thanks Hon. Gargar Brown for calling me "Fair Smart Hney". But, Guess what? You will pay for this, man. When Weah becomes president, I will urge him to appoint you as Liberia's ambassador to Libya so that you and the Arabs will do business together. While there, stay there. We don't want your business in Liberia. Fair enough? That's what you get, buddy!
On a serious note, your rationale is not fully explained regarding the Taylor and Doe saga. But let me throw some "cents" of mine in the bottle if you don't mind, Sir.
If Doe had not been handed the country after Tolbert was assasinated, he would never ever have been a CIC and eventually a president. In other words, had Doe clamored to run for president before Tolbert's demise, he would never have stood one inch of a chance to become a president. Never, Nada! Sometimes, too much power corrupts a person! That's how Doe fell from grace. Too much power and greed.
Side Two: Taylor, like Doe, came to power by force! Both men were corrupt because of too much power. They inflicted too much pain and sorrow on the Liberian people. They're responsible for their own trouble. Unfortunately, Doe die while Taylor's butt is glued in an uncomfortable chair at the Hague. One might say it's a just punishment, but more needs to be done.
The Catch: Since Taylor is alive, he should be held behind bars for the rest of his life "if he is found guilty". That's the only caveat, "if"! Liberians ought to learn a lesson from this episode. If a warlord's spirit is not severely broken, he will seek to destablize his countrymen once again. Also, because there are people who have Taylor's animalistic tendencies, they too may want to use power to push the Liberian people in the Atlantic Ocean.
I have been consistent all alone, Gargar. I am not a hateful person. But, I believe in justice. If I run through the red light and get caught by a cop, I should not be exonerated in court because of my looks or poverty. I should be made to understand while running a red light is wrong. The same is to be understood in this context. Taylor, if found guilty, should be punished. Now, Doe is dead. His personal trouble is over for now. The only trouble he created unexpectedly exists in the Krahnin domain. Most Krahns are not responsible for this, but they're unliked because Doe was a krahn man who became president. In other words, most Krahns (not all of them) are disliked because a Krahn man became president.
That's something that the Liberians have to get over if we're to exist as one nation!
Gargar, you probably think that I am Krahn guy, right? You're wrong man. If you call me "Fair Smart Hney" anymore, I will have no alternative but to convert you to the Krahn culture. You will never have to say "mue le, bah. Ar weneboeh. Ne pe nie oh bah".
You will now be saying: Arbloyu, which simply means our country or tribal person.
28. 02-07-2009 17:06
You have the right to..
Gargar, You've the right to believe any thing you want, that is your right. I do not have the resoures to changed any one or make any one think like me. You were advocating for Taylor the other day, now you're supporting the warlord/corrupt Monrovia Government. Monkey can not change his black hand.
First of all you're one of those who believe, I am the late president Doe's brother, and that I am from Grand gedeh. So I am on this forum to defend Doe, and his people, that is very sad.
29. 02-07-2009 18:26
TRC Final Blow!
Political leaders, financiers make up list
“The below comprising of political leaders and financiers of different warring factions is by no means exhaustive. All other persons similarly situated shall be subject to public sanctions as herein described above in section 14.2 and specifically barred from holding public offices; elected or appointed for a period of thirty (30) years”, the recommendation indicated.
Amongst those listed includes: Madam Ellen Johnson Sirleaf; Harry Greaves, Jr.; Isaac Nyenabo; Archie Williams; Jackson E. Doe; Tarnue Marwolo; Harry Yuan; Kabineh Ja'neh; Dew Mason; Allen Brown, Sr.; Randall Cooper; Ethelbert Cooper; Toga McIntosh Gayewea; D. Bob Taylor; Nyan Menten; Clarency Simpson; Byron Tarr; Grace Minor; Joe Tuah; Kai Farley; K.B.K. Sando; Moses Jarbo; Charles Bennie; Alhaji Sekou Fofana; Morris Dolley; Aisha Konneh; Abbas Kenneh; Prince Sio; Mohammed Joumande; Tigae Wontee; Edward Slangar; Noah Bordolo; Amos Lincoln; James Chelley; Tarnue Marwolo; Tom Woewiyou; Lavala Supuwood; Weade Kobbah Wureh; Albert S. Toe; Alieu Kosia; Kwame Fofana; El Mohammed Sheriff; Paul Mulbah; Valee Keita; Vamba Kanneh; Ignatius Clay; Maxwell Karba; Thomas Ziah; Joe Gbala; J. Appollo Swen; Tonia King; Octavious Walker
30. 02-07-2009 20:12
Even The U.S Wants Criminals in Courts
Liberia: U.S. War Criminals' Net 2 July 2009
This is frontpage's Story:
Efforts are underway in the US Congress to extend trial for those living in America and accused of committing crimes against humanity, not only torture, as was the case of Chuckie Taylor, son of former President Charles Taylor, who could not be prosecuted for crimes against humanity because of a legal loophole, according to the Voice of America.
With this loophole closed, those suspected of committing crimes against humanity and seeking refuge in the US could find themselves in US courts. There are many Liberian alleged war criminals living in the US but cannot be prosecuted because of the legal provision barring prosecution for crimes against humanity.
With the TRC preparing to release names of individuals in wants tried for alleged war crimes, change of US law could land many in court there once on US soil. The VOA:
The US Congress is stepping up efforts to close a legal loophole that currently lets perpetrators of crimes against humanity live in the United States and avoid prosecution for acts committed overseas.
A bill just introduced by Senator Dick Durbin would extend jurisdiction beyond genocide, already on the books, and would increase US law enforcement officials' powers to bring to justice sanctuary seekers trying to avoid arrest or deportation for heinous acts.
In Washington, the director of Human Rights First's Crimes Against Humanity program, Julia Fromholz, explains why the legislation is needed.
"There are laws on the books that allow US prosecutors to prosecute alleged perpetrators of genocide or torture or recruiting and using child soldiers for example. Even when those acts are committed overseas, but the people who have allegedly perpetrated them are in the United States, the same sort of law does not exist for crimes against humanity," she points out.
The current loophole prevented authorities from pressing their case against Charles McArthur Emmanuel, also known as Charles "Chuckie" Taylor, Jr. the son of ousted Liberian President Charles Taylor. Taylor, Sr. also faces crimes against humanity charges at the International Criminal Court (ICC) in the Hague for acts committed during the civil war in Sierra Leone.
In 2006, Taylor, Jr., who headed his father's Anti-Terror Unit in Liberia, eventually was prosecuted in the state of Florida under a US torture statute for crimes committed in 2002, in an unprecedented use of the 1994 federal anti-torture law. That act allows prosecution for acts of overseas torture as long as the defendant is a US citizen, a legal resident of the US or living in this country.
In 2007, Illinois Senator Durbin's 2007 Genocide Accountability Act closed a US loophole that prevented the Justice Department from prosecuting individuals found in the United States who took part in genocide in other countries. The main focus of that legislation was to block a potential US safe haven for Sudanese officials found complicit of carrying out genocide in Darfur. In March of this year, Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir became the first head of state ever indicted by the ICC, not for genocide, but for allegedly committing war crimes and crimes against humanity in Darfur.
Human Rights First's Fromholz notes that crimes against humanity is defined as acting in a systematic manner in carrying out the offense. On the other hand, she says the crime of genocide, which was covered in the US Genocide Accountability Act, also includes a requirement of intent in order to prove guilt._ _"For crimes against humanity, you don't have to have that intent. Genocide is often called the worst crime, or the crime that has no name. And so I think that it inflames people more. They know the name. They know what it is, and so I think it was in some ways easier to get that law on the books because people are so outraged by it. Victims of crimes against humanity deserve in my view the same sort of justice, and therefore, it is important to get this crime on the books as well," she said._ _Since the days of the Bush Administration has opposed becoming a member of the International Criminal Court, which was set up by the United Nations in 2002 to prosecute genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. _ _In the case of Darfur, where the US holds views compatible with the ICC in its indictment of Sudanese leaders, Julia Fromholz says there are various ways the Washington can assist in bringing up charges against Sudanese leaders._ _"They can be referred by the UN Security Council. That's how the case against various actors in Darfur was brought. It was the Security Council that asked for it. And the US could in its position as a member of the permanent five on the Security Council push for charges of crimes against humanity. But even if the US signed on to the International Criminal Court, it actually would need to make sure that its domestic law was in line with certain pieces of international laws, that we would have to have crimes of genocide and crimes against humanity, and others on the books," she suggested._ _On the other hand, Fromholz observes, having those laws in place would add new flexibility and enhance the Justice Department's role in putting shameless asylum seekers involved in such crimes on notice that they are not welcome in the United States.
_"That we are not signed on to the International Criminal Court doesn't mean that we can't prosecute those crimes here. If we do sign on to the Criminal Court ever, it might mean we might have to add some laws to our domestic code," she indicates._ _Fromholz says human rights groups are also backing Senator Durbin's legislation because having such statutes in place can increase US standing with America's allies by showing them that Washington continues to take these crimes seriously
31. 02-07-2009 23:19
Even The U.S Wants Criminals in Courts
reply to Mr. Hney, listen to my point, between M/sgt. Doe and Taylor, Taylor have a point this is my argument, however when Taylor took office I have no clue what was going on that I can not argue about, please don't mist apple and oranges, plus talking about Weah, He is very stupid to team up with Tubman.
Mr. Thomas Doe, I repeat it is the Lord who picture some information to me that Ellen was the right person for this job at this moment. I swear if you saw what was picture to me you'll be afraid, Ellen is like (RUTH)in the bible her weakness is she appoint thieves on the job, like OBAMA.
32. 02-07-2009 23:30
Even The U.S Wants Criminals in Courts
Look Mr. Hney and Doe I am not the only one who think Ellen is right but the folks refuse to do their job... ---------------------------- Liberia: Prof Kortimai Blasts 'Selfish' Govt Officials
Deputy Commerce Minister of Administration-designate Professor Lavela B. Kortimai, Sr. has launched what could be equated to a stinging criticism on those he calls 'selfish' government officials and politicians in the country.
Prof Kortimai said most government officials and politicians were only bent on seeking their personal interests, and not working in the interest of the masses or the country.
He said the advancement of Liberia and the success of its government would remain a mere dream unless everyone (government officials, politicians - partisans and oppositions and the public in general) put the national agenda or interest over personal ones.
The University of Liberia Economics and mathematics lecturer was speaking last Thursday (June 25) at the Kindergarten graduation and thanksgiving program of the Elizabeth Tubman Memorial Institute in Caldwell, outside Monrovia.
Speaking on the topic: "What Is Your Agenda?" Prof. Kortimai said everyone in life has an agenda (a plan that he or she wants to accomplish), but said agenda should not outdo the national agenda, especially when one serves in the public sector.
He said unfortunately, personal interest and selfishness has characterized the activities of most public officials and politicians in the country, though he did not name any. The University of Liberia Associate Registrar for Graduate Studies called on the students not to grow up to follow the examples of such selfish individuals.
He told the students that their basic agenda should be to study their lessons and pass to the next class until they acquire the requisite higher education to serve their country diligently, while the agenda of the teachers and school authorities is to ensure that students are prepared to become future leaders of the country through the provision of quality education.
While parents' agenda was to support their children's education and teach them good values for living, Prof Kortimai said the government was under obligation to ensure the security of and provide conditions for better education and quality health services for the masses; civil servants were to carryout government's operations.
"Now what is the agenda of Minister?" Kortimai quizzed, and wondered, "To enrich themselves or to serve the public?" He said Ministers and other top-level government officials needed to reexamine themselves and better serve the over three million population of Liberia.
Prof Kortimai: "We [ministers] are chosen among the [Liberian people] by 'will' of the President. Is this the gratitude we are showing back to the president and the Liberian people by doing the wrong things by being selfish?"
The deputy minister-designate claimed that some officials of government were serving only themselves and failing to follow the national agenda set by the government in which they serve.
He said many of them were boastful, mean to those who worked under them, and refuse to come down to understand their problems as a way of enhancing government's performance.
"[They] see government offices and materials as our personal properties, what a shame! We need to repent," the Associate Registrar for Graduate Studies at the UL urged.
He called on heads of ministries and agencies of government to provide scholarships and other learning opportunities for their employees instead of discouraging those who are working and attending universities to advance themselves academically.
Touching on opposition politicians who are always criticizing the Ellen Johnson Sirleaf-led government, Prof Kortimai said these individuals were only making empty criticism and doing nothing to help the country rebuild.
He said most of them had loudmouth and find pleasure in badmouthing the government instead of working along to ensure the success of the Poverty Reduction Strategy (PRS).
He said it would be a patriotic venture for critics to undertake some initiatives under the PRS such is supporting the education and health sector, or providing micro loans to local business people than to sit, fold their hands and criticize the little government its partners are doing.
Liberia's PRS articulates the Government's overall vision and major strategies for moving toward rapid, inclusive and sustainable growth and development during the period 2008-2011.
The PRS is being implemented between April 1, 2008 and June 30, 2011 (the end of the 2010/2011 fiscal year).
33. 02-07-2009 23:55
Even The U.S Wants Criminals in Courts
If a war crimes court were to be established in Liberia as is being advocated by some, it would be mistake to target only the warlords and financiers for trial. It would be prejudicial, to say the least, that a court set up to prosecute war crimes would elect to try only the financiers and the politicos. Such an argument rests on the idea of reducibility which suggests that without the financiers, there would not have been any war. But what about the converse? What if nobody had accepted to pick arms to fight - would there have been a civil war in Liberia?
We should not minimizes both the symbiotic relations between those on the top tier and the foot-soldiers at the bottom. One could not do without the other. A hitman is no less guilty than the one who hired him to gun down an opponent. The hitman is not the vitim of the one who hired him to do the dirty job but is a willing partner in crime.
If we must try the financiers, we must also try the warlords, their lieutenants and down to the 'single-barrow' wielding thugs at whose hands many of our country men lost their lives needlessly. We should be more about justice for the victim and who all contributed to or participated in war crimes against fellow Liberians during those terrible years.
Perhaps the greatest challenge to the integrity of such a court is whether there can be found in Liberia judges/jurists whose judgements are not swayed one way or the other by their war experiences or affiliations.
I sometimes wonder when I see posts attacking Thomas Doe because of his name.
Don't wed know our own geography? Doe is not a name common to Grand Geedeh. We have Doe in Sinoe, Marylan, Rivercess, Grand Bassa, Cape Mount, Nimba, and in fact, all over Liberia.
Besides, what is wrong with being Samuel Doe's brother or a Grand Geedean?
Okay I am KMS Doe. Samuel Doe's first cousin. What about that?
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In his book: The Theory of Justice, John Rawls argued that each person
in a society possesses an inviolability founded on justice that even
the welfare of society as a whole cannot override. As such, he
concluded that in a just society the rights secured by justice are not
subject to political bargaining or to the calculus of social interests.
A clear representation of Rawls’ views can surely be explained in what is now known as the “Virginia Declaration”. On June 19, 2009, there was a National Conference on Reconciliation held at the Unity Conference Center in Virginia, Liberia with representatives from all fifteen counties of the political subdivisions of Liberia. 
sir.. everyone can see you're taking side. 
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